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to think the government are on a hiding to nothing with their drive to get people back to work?

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molokoco · 08/03/2024 10:33

On the Today Programme in Radio 4 this morning they had a segment where they were talking about "worklessness" in the UK and the number of unfilled vacancies and how the government wanted to push two large groups back into the work force the 18-24 year olds who are not working due to mental health issues and the over 50's who have dropped out of work in the past four years for a variety of reasons and who perhaps have the funds not to have to to work anymore.

They had a man on in his early 60's who was made redundant from what sounded like a highly paid business / finance type career in the city 4 years ago, he had initially applied for 100's of jobs over the next few years and was rejected he seemed to suspect due to his age. He work as a postman for a spell before he finally mentally came round to the idea of retirement. Obviously this man had the funds but so do a lot of the people retiring in their 50's either have that or their health is so poor they can no longer work while they wait endlessly for hospital appointments and treatment.

When I try to look at the kind of jobs that have the most vacancies in the UK the information I am seeing is things like hospitality, construction, manufacturing, agriculture workers and so on. It doesn't seem likely to me that someone who was previously in a high flying career but now feels pushed out due to ageism or someone with health issues is likely to want to take a job in any of those areas which likely involve some mix of heavy work, anti-social hours, low pay and a degree of precarity and perhaps not much in the way of long term prospects.

The man on the radio had applied for 100's of jobs within his field of experience and he would have kept working if he had landed one but it seems like well paid, jobs with good career prospects are still over subscribed with lots of people applying for that kind of work so employers will have their pick and ageism in recruitment is a known issue.

They had a Doctor on to discuss the mental health crisis in the young but he wasn't very coherent, he did mention about improving nutrition, exercise and prescribing gardening to people with mental health issues and suggested that when people go on the sick with poor mental health and spend a few weeks at home watching daytime TV then they will feel worse. I am sure he had a point but gardening isn't a substitute to getting proper mental heath treatment, it is part of that sure but I think young people need more than that and that the things that seem to be behind the rise in depression, anxiety and hopelessness need to be addressed more widely. I also think that while younger people in good health may be more able to do the kind of work in hospitality or construction where the vacancies actually are the problems with these jobs still remain that they are often hard, heavy jobs, they can be low paid, antisocial hours and with fewer prospects in the long term.

It is sad to see people, especially young people drop out of the workforce right at the time their lives should be starting or for older people to feel pushed out due to their age or poor health but a few tax breaks isn't going to make an ex-executive or ex-teacher suddenly want to take a job on a building site or as a chambre maid and a few gardening sessions isn't going to make up for the utter lack of mental health care and magically cure young people of their anxiety or despair in a world where a home and a family seem so far out of reach.

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inabubble3 · 17/03/2024 10:47

Maybe the government and employees could offer some stability, training, support and be flexible to workers needs. When they offer this, or at least some of this then workers may have incentive to work. Right now it seems that workers have to fight for all of the above.

I can’t even imagine being 18-24 at the moment with the cost of living , houses etc. must feel a bit hopeless unless you have family money or are very motivated. This age group have also missed out on years of school, socialisation etc because of the pandemic.

As for being over 50s and having enough ££s to retire, go part time , stop working then why on earth would you work if you didn’t want to/ have to?

There needs to be some appeal/ benefit from going to work doesn’t there? And making us more like Asia/ America is just bonkers isn’t it. What a bloody miserable way to live.

decionsdecisions62 · 17/03/2024 11:06

What really gets me is that most of the Tory ponces wanting this have not worked from 17 to 57 and would never understand in a million years the toll that takes!

Rummikub · 17/03/2024 12:40

KattyBoomBoom95 · 13/03/2024 00:03

I agree.

I've moved into a construction related industry after almost a decade in a graduate job and honestly feel that many of the young people I meet are much more switched on than a lot of students.

At 20yo a trades/construction worker has often already been working for four years, whilst a student has usually never had a full time job or maybe any job - perhaps a job pulling pints.

I remember many of my dorm mates being absolute filthy pigs when I moved in. Many had never lived away from their parents and couldn't manage basic things like emptying the bins. And then there's a lot of binge drinking and immature behavior which, while not uncommon across that age group, is much less likely to be seen in youths getting up and going to work every day - I only had eight hours of lectures a week!

Trades/construction workers earn more than graduates (average salary £10k higher) and statistically get on the property ladder either three or four years earlier - I forget which.

Even bricklayers are earning about £45k on many sites I attend and in some parts of the country well over £100k as they're so short in supply and houses can't be built without them. It's been this way for a decade now. The big contractors will pay the crazy fees (£2.5k a week sometimes) to get houses completed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11903651/amp/Some-bricklayers-earning-125-000-shortages.html

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I spoke to an unhappy and fed up pharmacist. He was planning to leave and do a trade instead.

His working conditions sounded awful. I felt really sorry for him.

I’m seeing more young people who want to go into trades, construction and engineering.
Thete aren’t enough apprenticeships available.

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