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to be scared when kids leave full-time education

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spanieleyes22 · 07/03/2024 13:32

So I'm currently eligible for Universal Credit with 2 children over 16 but in full-time education. But when the youngest turns 20 I believe I won't be eligible for it any more. I don't know how I'm going to pay my rent or survive without it. They will still be living with me and will be in university (hopefully). What do people do when this happens.

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LiterallyOnFire · 11/03/2024 07:49

The person you are quoting has repeatedly said they live somewhere that doesn’t have any sort of welfare benefits hence paying for their healthcare etc.

No, s/he said they "came from" a country without those things. They live in the UK. Which is why I commented as I did.

SmileyClare · 11/03/2024 08:21

LiterallyOnFire · 11/03/2024 07:49

The person you are quoting has repeatedly said they live somewhere that doesn’t have any sort of welfare benefits hence paying for their healthcare etc.

No, s/he said they "came from" a country without those things. They live in the UK. Which is why I commented as I did.

I can’t think of any developed countries that have NO social welfare systems or programmes. If we’re talking about the US then yes public spending on welfare is low but exists. This has resulted in massive inequalities in wealth distribution and not something to aspire to. Parts of the US (one of the richest countries in the world) have people living in slum towns.

Interestingly, Nordic countries who have the most extensive welfare systems and spend the highest percentage on public services and welfare are flourishing economically, and statistically the population’s mental health is rated healthiest in the world.

I’m happy for some of my taxes to be spent on disadvantaged sections of society.

I would like to see more state financial assistance for young adults in further education. University education should not be a privilege for the wealthy but that’s where we’re heading. University is simply out of reach for some people.
The gap between rich and poor has never been so vast.

We’re at crisis point with mental health issues amongst the younger generations hardly helped by the public attitude of “Fuck them when they leave school- they can study and earn their own money and sleep on someone’s floor if their parent can’t support them…Im not (as a member of society) working to support them”
Ditto the elderly and disabled..

I'm depressed by a lot of the “I’m all right Jack” attitudes on this thread.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 11/03/2024 09:01

SmileyClare · 11/03/2024 08:21

I can’t think of any developed countries that have NO social welfare systems or programmes. If we’re talking about the US then yes public spending on welfare is low but exists. This has resulted in massive inequalities in wealth distribution and not something to aspire to. Parts of the US (one of the richest countries in the world) have people living in slum towns.

Interestingly, Nordic countries who have the most extensive welfare systems and spend the highest percentage on public services and welfare are flourishing economically, and statistically the population’s mental health is rated healthiest in the world.

I’m happy for some of my taxes to be spent on disadvantaged sections of society.

I would like to see more state financial assistance for young adults in further education. University education should not be a privilege for the wealthy but that’s where we’re heading. University is simply out of reach for some people.
The gap between rich and poor has never been so vast.

We’re at crisis point with mental health issues amongst the younger generations hardly helped by the public attitude of “Fuck them when they leave school- they can study and earn their own money and sleep on someone’s floor if their parent can’t support them…Im not (as a member of society) working to support them”
Ditto the elderly and disabled..

I'm depressed by a lot of the “I’m all right Jack” attitudes on this thread.

"I can’t think of any developed countries that have NO social welfare systems or programmes"

over half the world has no social welfare

in terms of developed countries, the lowest spend is South Korea and Chile - spending under half of what the US does

SmileyClare · 11/03/2024 09:23

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 11/03/2024 09:01

"I can’t think of any developed countries that have NO social welfare systems or programmes"

over half the world has no social welfare

in terms of developed countries, the lowest spend is South Korea and Chile - spending under half of what the US does

If we’re talking about developed countries then yes they all have welfare systems.

What point are you making? You don’t agree with welfare systems?

The poster that declared they don’t use public money appears to resent anyone in this country doing so.

Single mothers are disadvantaged and I have no issue with them being assisted by the state. The children of single parent families are disadvantaged and they should be assisted more by the state whilst in full time education in my view.

SmileyClare · 11/03/2024 09:40

The UK governments have been shitting on the working classes for decades and here we are. Nearly half the population reliant on benefits to afford to eat and have a home.

But sure let’s point at the small man working their balls off full time and tell them it’s their fault, they should work harder like people in South Korea?

What a laughable thing to say.

Workworkandmoreworknow · 11/03/2024 10:55

Single mothers are disadvantaged and I have no issue with them being assisted by the state

to be clear, there is no such thing as a 'single mother's benefit' and plenty of single mothers receive nothing at all from the state.

SmileyClare · 11/03/2024 11:14

Plenty of single mothers claim nothing from the state

Nothing? Ok, I’m not disagreeing with you; a minority of wealthy single parents might be in a position to pay for private education, healthcare and not claim even child benefit.

That doesn’t affect the fact that single mothers who have to support children for 18 years on one wage are economically disadvantaged.

Most of this thread is dripping in veiled contempt for anyone in receipt of benefits. Tories love to promote the idea that anyone in the unfortunate position of needing state support is lazy and it’s their fault for making the wrong choices…they should have tried harder! It’s ignorant.

But wait, what if she lived in a third world country with no welfare system at all? Well she doesn’t Confused

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