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To be appalled at these parents trying to force a girls football team to let their son join?

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AngeloMysterioso · 03/03/2024 11:34

The FA is threatening to suspend a girls’ football league after a boy’s parents complained because they wouldn’t let him join.

There’s nothing in the report about the boy being trans, or identifying as a girl- he just doesn’t want to play with boys and doesn’t have the ability level.

I’m just gobsmacked at the entitlement of these parents, which they are also teaching their son - that they expect a girl to have to lose her place on a team just because he isn’t good enough to play with the boys.

DM article- so far not being reported by any other news outlets but will keep checking.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13149771/west-riding-girls-football-league-boy-footbal-association.html

OP posts:
Natsku · 03/03/2024 14:37

Stormwet · 03/03/2024 12:23

What difference does it make really if they’re below or just beginning puberty. Boys are not inherently better than girls at football or any sport and whilst it’s an absolute cheek that they think the girls team is where they should send the below par boys, I don’t see why the sport should be gendered. If they let him in, if he’s no good playing with boys, he’ll be no good playing with girls and will probably drag them down anyway.

My DD's volleyball team played a boys volleyball team recently, in a friendly practice match. The boys were younger, smaller, and clearly hadn't hit puberty yet. They still served with twice the power of the girls (who were two years old and well into puberty), and returned the ball with so much more power too (to the point it actually felt a bit frightening sitting at the end of the court, I almost got hit very hard in the face and other parents moved away). Boys have such a strength advantage even pre-puberty that its really not fair, I imagine this can also be seen in football with strength of kicks.

Dotjones · 03/03/2024 14:53

This just shows up the nonsense of having separate teams for male and female players. It's perfectly acceptable until their 16th birthday, at which point it's completely unnacceptable. This makes no sense. Just make all teams mixed and the problem goes away.

motherofdilemmas · 03/03/2024 14:55

I'm so fed up of all this. We all know what the issues are and why this is not appropriate. Why do girls and women matter so little that they are being treated like this?

I watched a video made by a young adult woman who had transitioned to live as a man, was pumped full of testosterone, had their breasts removed etc. Looked male ( in a cute boyish kinda way).

That person said that they had realised that they could no longer play football. which had been their passion. Because, they said, the men were just so much stronger and more aggressive that they couldn't play with or against them. And that's a female pumped full of testosterone for an extended period. And still knows they cannot compete.

So girls not pumped full of testosterone really don't stand a chance and no-one should expect them to play with males.

motherofdilemmas · 03/03/2024 14:57

Dotjones · 03/03/2024 14:53

This just shows up the nonsense of having separate teams for male and female players. It's perfectly acceptable until their 16th birthday, at which point it's completely unnacceptable. This makes no sense. Just make all teams mixed and the problem goes away.

Well if the problem were girls enjoying and participating in sport, then yes that problem will go away with mixed teams. As mixed teams effectively become men's teams.

Did you read that article which described how the girls team had served to rescue girls form the boys team where they could not really compete and were not being passed the ball?

ThinWomansBrain · 03/03/2024 14:57

poor child. if he wasn't being bullied before, probably is now.

Milkandnosugarplease · 03/03/2024 15:09

So said that so many girls have said they will quit football if boys join the team.

the FA have this all wrong. They are meant to be encouraging girls into sport!

misscockerspaniel · 03/03/2024 15:11

Dotjones · 03/03/2024 14:53

This just shows up the nonsense of having separate teams for male and female players. It's perfectly acceptable until their 16th birthday, at which point it's completely unnacceptable. This makes no sense. Just make all teams mixed and the problem goes away.

If you bother to read the article, you will find the answers there. HTH.

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 03/03/2024 15:16

Dotjones · 03/03/2024 14:53

This just shows up the nonsense of having separate teams for male and female players. It's perfectly acceptable until their 16th birthday, at which point it's completely unnacceptable. This makes no sense. Just make all teams mixed and the problem goes away.

And we have male teams by default with your idea and no females in sport. Have the other posters on this thread not showed that when they say their girls were never passed the ball when playing with boys?

arethereanyleftatall · 03/03/2024 15:26

Dotjones · 03/03/2024 14:53

This just shows up the nonsense of having separate teams for male and female players. It's perfectly acceptable until their 16th birthday, at which point it's completely unnacceptable. This makes no sense. Just make all teams mixed and the problem goes away.

😂😂😂
Maybe do even a tiny bit of research before you say this out loud.

As my job is sport, my hobby is sport, my life is sport- it blows me away that some people know so little about it. I just can't imagine how you can get through to adulthood without knowing, even at a most basic level, that boys are physically stronger than girls.

bombastix · 03/03/2024 15:33

It is the selfishness of the parents. They should be ashamed, but they are not. What consequence is there for people like this? There should be some.

BareGrylls · 03/03/2024 15:34

Seems very similar to girls joining cubs and scouts. There are some things, not just sports that are better kept separate.

TheOriginalEmu · 03/03/2024 15:36

I’ve known plenty of girls play in the boys league, why can’t a boy play with the girls?

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 03/03/2024 15:36

CurlewKate · 03/03/2024 14:29

It used to be mixed until 12, I think. Maybe 11? Is it 16 now? That's insane!

Actually it's u18s now!

My DD played with a boys team until she reached u16s. She was technically better than a lot of boys she played against at u15s but they didn't like that and targeted her physically. When the u16 league started they all realised she was still there and got it pretty nasty physically and we decided enough was enough as she was constantly being kicked and bashed in to by boys twice her size.

Looking back now she should have left before she did but she was close with a lot of the team and the manager asked her to stay on

TheOriginalEmu · 03/03/2024 15:37

arethereanyleftatall · 03/03/2024 15:26

😂😂😂
Maybe do even a tiny bit of research before you say this out loud.

As my job is sport, my hobby is sport, my life is sport- it blows me away that some people know so little about it. I just can't imagine how you can get through to adulthood without knowing, even at a most basic level, that boys are physically stronger than girls.

Some boys, but not all boys.

Happyinarcon · 03/03/2024 15:38

How much of any of this sounds real

Hermittrismegistus · 03/03/2024 15:38

TheOriginalEmu · 03/03/2024 15:36

I’ve known plenty of girls play in the boys league, why can’t a boy play with the girls?

Edited

Have you even bothered to read the article?

AIstolemylunch · 03/03/2024 15:38

I have a 13y old son that plays football, rugby and hockey. He has a 13y old female friend who has a sport scholarship at her school and plays netball, football and hockey. They are both very, very fit and sporty. I am watching them in the park now and he is almost exactly twice the size of her. His shoulders are 1.75x the width of hers and he dwarfs over her. She is extremely slim and delicate looking, albeit fit and strong, her waist diameter is probably half of his.

It's absolute madness to let boys and girls play contact sport on the same teams post puberty.

TheOriginalEmu · 03/03/2024 15:42

Hermittrismegistus · 03/03/2024 15:38

Have you even bothered to read the article?

Yes I did. I still fail to see what the issue is.
he’s one boy.

lifeturnsonadime · 03/03/2024 15:45

TheOriginalEmu · 03/03/2024 15:42

Yes I did. I still fail to see what the issue is.
he’s one boy.

So one boy, who has the options of multiple boys teams because many more football teams exist in the boys than the girls league, gets to steal a place in a girls team in the girl league just because he fancies it?

And who cares right, if teenage girls want a space free from males for safety and dignity?

TheOriginalEmu · 03/03/2024 15:45

AIstolemylunch · 03/03/2024 15:38

I have a 13y old son that plays football, rugby and hockey. He has a 13y old female friend who has a sport scholarship at her school and plays netball, football and hockey. They are both very, very fit and sporty. I am watching them in the park now and he is almost exactly twice the size of her. His shoulders are 1.75x the width of hers and he dwarfs over her. She is extremely slim and delicate looking, albeit fit and strong, her waist diameter is probably half of his.

It's absolute madness to let boys and girls play contact sport on the same teams post puberty.

And my 13 year old son was half the size of many of the boys he played with. At 13 he was much more on parr size wise with his twin sister than he was some of the other boys. My friends daughter of the same age was a 8 inches taller and dwarfed him in all ways.
not all boys are huge and not all girls are tiny.

TheOriginalEmu · 03/03/2024 15:46

lifeturnsonadime · 03/03/2024 15:45

So one boy, who has the options of multiple boys teams because many more football teams exist in the boys than the girls league, gets to steal a place in a girls team in the girl league just because he fancies it?

And who cares right, if teenage girls want a space free from males for safety and dignity?

He’s not stealing anything from anyone. Just because he is male it doesn’t follow that he is better than the girls. He has to try for his place the same as the girls. Don’t be so dramatic.

lifeturnsonadime · 03/03/2024 15:46

TheOriginalEmu · 03/03/2024 15:45

And my 13 year old son was half the size of many of the boys he played with. At 13 he was much more on parr size wise with his twin sister than he was some of the other boys. My friends daughter of the same age was a 8 inches taller and dwarfed him in all ways.
not all boys are huge and not all girls are tiny.

It's not just size that makes boys stronger, it's testosterone levels and skeletal / muscle tone/ lung capacity differences.

There are always outliers who are smaller or bigger physically but this does not mean that girls teams and girls leagues shouldn't exist.

arethereanyleftatall · 03/03/2024 15:46

@Dotjones
Just to start you off. The women's world record 100m is 10.49. There are THOUSANDS of males who can beat this, including 14 year olds. In fact, there was a high school championships a few years ago just in the state of Florida where every single school boy in the final would have won that years womens 100m gold at the world champs.

arethereanyleftatall · 03/03/2024 15:47

TheOriginalEmu · 03/03/2024 15:36

I’ve known plenty of girls play in the boys league, why can’t a boy play with the girls?

Edited

Because they'd injure the girls...

lifeturnsonadime · 03/03/2024 15:47

TheOriginalEmu · 03/03/2024 15:46

He’s not stealing anything from anyone. Just because he is male it doesn’t follow that he is better than the girls. He has to try for his place the same as the girls. Don’t be so dramatic.

I'm not being dramatic. I have a daughter in sport. A boy in the girls league ruins sport for girls.

There are lots of options for boys which don't have to involve being in what should be a girls only league.

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