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To be appalled at these parents trying to force a girls football team to let their son join?

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AngeloMysterioso · 03/03/2024 11:34

The FA is threatening to suspend a girls’ football league after a boy’s parents complained because they wouldn’t let him join.

There’s nothing in the report about the boy being trans, or identifying as a girl- he just doesn’t want to play with boys and doesn’t have the ability level.

I’m just gobsmacked at the entitlement of these parents, which they are also teaching their son - that they expect a girl to have to lose her place on a team just because he isn’t good enough to play with the boys.

DM article- so far not being reported by any other news outlets but will keep checking.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13149771/west-riding-girls-football-league-boy-footbal-association.html

OP posts:
Hoplolly · 03/03/2024 12:40

I guess the thing is, it's FA rules. You sign up to that when you join the FA.

lifeturnsonadime · 03/03/2024 12:46

Hoplolly · 03/03/2024 12:40

I guess the thing is, it's FA rules. You sign up to that when you join the FA.

Well then the rules need changing.

Unless you don't think girls should have anything for themselves.

We have real issues with girls sport participation. FA rules need to change so that more girls participate.

Hoardasurass · 03/03/2024 12:47

The thing that pisses me off the most about this is that there's already a mixed sex team that he could join and it's been made clear that he only wants to join the female team because he's not good enough for the boys team so the fa wants to force a capable girl out to allow a mediocre male cheat his way into a team. And worst of all his parents are so far up this entitled boys arse that they are happy to destroy a girls football league rather than teach him that he can't have everything he wants and in life sometimes we just don't have the natural ability to succeed in things and need to find something else, which is setting him up for a hard wake-up call when he leaves school

OnceinaMinion · 03/03/2024 13:02

It’s an example of ‘girls be nice’.

There’s far fewer opportunities for girls in sports as it is. DD went to a club when she was very small, she was brilliant at it. Unfortunately she was the only girl, other parents weren’t happy and the boys wouldn’t play with her properly. So she stopped going. I know now there is slightly more opportunities but it’s taken more than 10 years to get there.

HermioneKipper · 03/03/2024 13:10

My daughter plays for a girls football team. I’d pull her out if a boy joined.

she used to play on the school team but got very downhearted as it was mostly boys and none of them would pass to her. And the coach kept putting her in goal as a result 🤬

Ellie1015 · 03/03/2024 13:37

It is frustrating that the parents think he will have ability for girls team. He might be stronger but no reason to assume he is better or even good enough.

Why dont they put him in a younger age group? That would be an equally stupid suggestion.

They need to find a team at a lower level if no such team exists then he should get lessons or consider another hobby.

AngeloMysterioso · 03/03/2024 13:41

The fact is that girls/women’s teams and leagues were created specifically to encourage women and girls to participate in a sport that is massively male dominated, sexist and often misogynistic. They do not exist to serve as a back up option for men and boys who can’t cut it amongst their own sex.

OP posts:
Gcsunnyside23 · 03/03/2024 13:42

IcelandicBerry · 03/03/2024 12:00

My dd had to stop playing football because there were two teams in her league with boys in. Some (most) parents thought this was so, so wonderful. 🙄

Can I ask why she had to stop?

JudgeJ · 03/03/2024 13:47

Trickabrick · 03/03/2024 12:14

Playing devils advocate here, how is this different from a girl being in a predominantly boys team? Genuine question, not being goady - I am massively supportive of girls sport (have a daughter myself). But it seems logical that if you want to have girls only team, then you should be able to have boys only teams too.

Years ago this was certainly an issue, girls were not allowed to play. Not sure if it's been clarified but is there an age limit where single sex teams are the rule, as in, I think, rugby?

arethereanyleftatall · 03/03/2024 13:48

Trickabrick · 03/03/2024 12:14

Playing devils advocate here, how is this different from a girl being in a predominantly boys team? Genuine question, not being goady - I am massively supportive of girls sport (have a daughter myself). But it seems logical that if you want to have girls only team, then you should be able to have boys only teams too.

Because boys are stronger than girls. So if a girl makes that decision, it's her choice and her that's going to come off worse in an accident. If a boy makes the decision, girls can potentially get hurt through no choice of their own.

Stoodley · 03/03/2024 13:50

Hoplolly · 03/03/2024 12:40

I guess the thing is, it's FA rules. You sign up to that when you join the FA.

Where else can girls play football other than clubs than run under the FA? The FA need to step up here to change to rules so they are fair for women and girls. The parents of the boy need to parent their fucking child and say NO.

arethereanyleftatall · 03/03/2024 13:50

Stormwet · 03/03/2024 12:23

What difference does it make really if they’re below or just beginning puberty. Boys are not inherently better than girls at football or any sport and whilst it’s an absolute cheek that they think the girls team is where they should send the below par boys, I don’t see why the sport should be gendered. If they let him in, if he’s no good playing with boys, he’ll be no good playing with girls and will probably drag them down anyway.

Tell me you know absolutely nothing about sport without telling me you know absolutely nothing about sport.

I'm curious - have you ever in your life seen any kind of sport played at all?

CormorantStrikesBack · 03/03/2024 14:01

Stormwet · 03/03/2024 12:23

What difference does it make really if they’re below or just beginning puberty. Boys are not inherently better than girls at football or any sport and whilst it’s an absolute cheek that they think the girls team is where they should send the below par boys, I don’t see why the sport should be gendered. If they let him in, if he’s no good playing with boys, he’ll be no good playing with girls and will probably drag them down anyway.

I know it doesn’t actually state the age of the boy but he could be 15yo. Even if he’s younger he’d be allowed to stay in the league till he was 15yo. The size difference and strength between an average 15yo boy and an average 15yo girl is massive.

ought to only be primary age kids who can be mixed. FA really need to change the rules.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 03/03/2024 14:02

Hoardasurass · 03/03/2024 12:47

The thing that pisses me off the most about this is that there's already a mixed sex team that he could join and it's been made clear that he only wants to join the female team because he's not good enough for the boys team so the fa wants to force a capable girl out to allow a mediocre male cheat his way into a team. And worst of all his parents are so far up this entitled boys arse that they are happy to destroy a girls football league rather than teach him that he can't have everything he wants and in life sometimes we just don't have the natural ability to succeed in things and need to find something else, which is setting him up for a hard wake-up call when he leaves school

Absolutely this

Dorriethelittlewitch · 03/03/2024 14:02

My 9 year old boy plays. When he started out there was a decent ratio of girls in his team and in the teams they faced. One by one they dropped out and now his team is boys only and so are 99 percent of the teams they play.

I was speaking to one of the girls who dropped out of the team at another sporting event and she said how much better it was playing with and against girls. She is an excellent footballer with far more potential than my ds but she is smaller, slower and far less aggressive than him.

maddening · 03/03/2024 14:03

Even if he is trans he should not be in girls sports.

MrsVeryTired · 03/03/2024 14:06

I work in a primary school, those saying its only a problem post-puberty are wrong. Even 11 yr olds boys can be much bigger and stronger than girls and the strength of their kick is something else.

VenetiaHallisWellPosh · 03/03/2024 14:07

Boys' football is very different from girls' football. You only have to watch it to know that.

I remember when I was a kid being banned from playing football at the age of 11 with boys because back then the FA said I had to join a girls team. How times change. This was in about 1989 I think.

I don't agree that pubescent boys and girls should play together now though. Teenage boys can be massive. Their muscle mass is greater, and they tend to be taller, and yes, more aggressive.

arethereanyleftatall · 03/03/2024 14:09

@CormorantStrikesBack
Even at primary school level, boys are already, as a general rule, of course there'll be outliers either way, faster and stronger than girls at running.

MrsVeryTired · 03/03/2024 14:16

@arethereanyleftatall absolutely, I'm a medium sized adult woman and some of the older primary boys are much stronger already.

Zyq · 03/03/2024 14:20

lifeturnsonadime · 03/03/2024 11:58

I think that this is interesting actually, albeit awful for the girls who are having to stand their ground.

If the FA (or other governing body) say that a trans identifying boy (a trans girl) is able to play in the girls football league then the reason that this boy is being declined is because of the pc of Sex, if he had the pc of gender reassignment being identified as a girl he would be allowed to play. It doesn't really make any sense.

The whole thing is a mess. Girls sport should be protected for safety and dignity. There must be lower leagues that this boy and any boy who identifies as trans could play in without disrupting girls leagues.

As I understand it the FA is saying he should be allowed to play in the girls' league as a boy, i.e. without being trans. He isn't being declined by them as you suggest.

Baldieheid · 03/03/2024 14:20

Female sports aren't a consolation prize for mediocre or crap males.

This boy has no place in a girls team and will be stealing a girls spot if it is allowed.

Think about that. A girls spot given to a boy just because he said he wanted it.

Is that the message we want to give our daughters?

Stand aside, bloke coming through, someone far more important than you, you meaningless bit of fluff.

lifeturnsonadime · 03/03/2024 14:24

Zyq · 03/03/2024 14:20

As I understand it the FA is saying he should be allowed to play in the girls' league as a boy, i.e. without being trans. He isn't being declined by them as you suggest.

Sorry I meant 'were he to be declined'.

Absolutely it's for the FA to resolve this in favour of the girl.

No males should be in women or girls single sex sports including the ones who identify as transgender.

Dontcallmescarface · 03/03/2024 14:29

Hoplolly · 03/03/2024 12:40

I guess the thing is, it's FA rules. You sign up to that when you join the FA.

But they signed up to play in an all girls team, not a mixed sex one. What this does is potentially eradicate girls-only teams and just have boys/mixed sex ones.

CurlewKate · 03/03/2024 14:29

It used to be mixed until 12, I think. Maybe 11? Is it 16 now? That's insane!

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