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To be shocked by this woman’s assumption

117 replies

Reluctantcareprovider · 25/02/2024 21:20

I go to a regular monthly hobby group. One women who attends is in a wheelchair -though she has some limited mobility she can use sticks for

a few times myself or others have helped push her wheelchair to bathroom at breaks. Wheeled in and left her to it. Popped back and knocked on door when she was ready to come out

no problems - happy to help. Most meeting are just 2 hours so she doesn’t need lol, it is the more irregular whole day meetings that I’ve pushed her chair.

at latest meeting she now has electric self drive chair, but she asked for help with “the bathroom again”. Sure, no issues , nothing else explained . I was a bit surprised given she has new chair but though oh well, it’s a tight squeeze into disabled loo.

got into bathroom, about to leave her, and then had her tell me , no I couldn’t leave her and that I now needed to help her onto the toilet and started to explain how to lift her skirt, pull down pants and remove an incontinence pad form around her bottom- I was stunned. I said I wasn’t prepared for that, didn’t know what to do and was very uncomfortable with it. She said it was simple, just needed “a bit of help” and proceeded to tell me what to do.

in the dithering (in fairness on my part) she then had an “accident” on the floor over her undies .

I was left to remove wet undies, pick them up annd bag them and used pads up from pool of urine on floor , and then to help get her into new clean undies and pad.

I also have a very bad back myself which means bending and lifting is painful. And she’s not a small woman

I was feeling sick (smell of urine) and felt so very uncomfortable. I have never ever done this for anyone and even when my own dad was having accidents in care home (dementia) I’d leave to staff who knew how to hold him, lift him safely and change him without further accidents.

when I said after I was not comfortable with what was happening, she dismissed it really, said “I thought you knew and agreed “! Of course I didn’t know her condition had deteriorated so she couldn’t manage toileting herself. She never once told me that when she asked if I could help her. I had no reason to suppose at all she needed more than help with doors etc.

I am appalled she assumed I would carry out such an intimate carer role for her. I am not unreasonably sqeemish but this really turned my stomach and embarrassed me seeing her completely naked waste down.

Her husband drops her off. He left her. Didn’t come back at all during day to help. Nor did she come with another carer . Seems like just because I’ve helped her a couple of times with wheeling her about in old chair , that she ambused me into doing this way more intimate and personal care for her.

I was too shocked and guilty to just walk away and leave her. Clearly she needed the loo. She was aware I wasn’t happy and embarrassed as I told her, but she made no apology in assuming I’d do this for her.

AIBU to say she was totally unreasonable to dump (sorry no pun intended) on me like this, without being explicit about her needs . Surely she should have spoken to someone in group BEFORE attending a whole day session. when her needs changed to agree how they would be managed, or got her husband to come back at lunchtime.

there are other people in group who have known her for years, and much closer- one lady who runs the group has known her for 15 years or more. I’ve only been attending group for 2 years. I barely ever talk to her as her interests in this hobby are slightly different than mine and I go with a different group of friends. i just helped in past because I was sitting near her and the door on that occasion. She seems to have now latched on to me

AIBU to also raise it with chairwomen - say that this lady needs to discuss a better approach to her care if she continues to attend all day events? I know it’s personal but she said “I thought you knew” to me which leads me to think others may know and I am a complete mug.

im actually quite angry she just assumed I would be her carer for this intimate care, without my explicit consent.

AIBU to feel this way? AIBU to say no in future? AIBU to raise it with the chairwomen and say the lady needs to come with willing carers to perform these tasks?

OP posts:
TempestTost · 25/02/2024 21:23

YANBU.

Yes, I would raise it with the chairwoman. Given that she has known her a long time she is probably the appropriate person to talk to her.

HotToes · 25/02/2024 21:23

Yanbu

CraftyTaupeOtter · 25/02/2024 21:24

Not unreasonable at all. I'm usually very comfortable helping people out but this would be too much for me. Handling incontinence pads and lifting would concern me. One is too intimate and the other, I'd be worried about hurting them or myself. I would bring it up with the group leader. If she needs that kind of support she might need to look into bringing a carer with her.

Iwrotethelyricstoaxlf · 25/02/2024 21:24

If she need intimate care she needs to make her own provision. Not assume that a member of the group will do it.

raise it with the chairwoman. And leave it there.

FannyFifer · 25/02/2024 22:19

I'm a nurse but would not like to be ambushed into doing this.
I would help anyone out but give me some warning at least.
This was not ok at all to expect you to do this.
Just say next time sorry I have a sore back & can't push chair.

easilydistracted1 · 25/02/2024 22:25

I don't think you're in the wrong here. I wonder what's got her to the point of thinking this is a reasonable position. I feel quite sad for her. But it puts the organisers in a difficult position as if something went wrong noone is covered. My wife would help out without a second thought in this situation as she used to be a care worker. But she could seriously hurt herself as she has a degenerative disc condition and neck osteoarthritis which is why she doesn't do it any more. Plus the person being asked has no chance to get protective equipment. I would just tell her next time that you aren't able to help due to your bad back. But also have a quiet word with the chairwoman

gamerchick · 25/02/2024 22:29

She has increasing personal needs and should be making provision for those needs. You can't expect someone to pitch in to be a carer for the day without prior warning.

You'll have to raise it with the bosses. If they're happy to do the lifting and cleaning her up they can fill their boots.. otherwise she'll have to be told to bring a carer with her.

Tbh it's probably going to be uncomfortable there for you now anyroad either way. I'm sorry man

EmilyTjP · 25/02/2024 22:32

YANBU

JMSA · 25/02/2024 22:32

Aah, the poor woman Sad

OP, YANBU though!

Pickles2023 · 25/02/2024 22:34

Don't carers when you need to lift ect have to do certain training? And places be insured?

I mean what if your back went midlift? Whose liable if one if you complains about injuries?

You don't even get people at a train station help with buggies up the stairs due to all the red tape.

Next time i would just say your not qualified :(

rubyredknowsitall · 25/02/2024 22:34

YANBU - and I say that as someone who can - and has helped with 'these issues'.

I've got a strong stomach and am not put off by bodily fluids at all - but by God if you are it's really something you shouldn't be pressed into

I'm sorry you were put into that situation, gosh what will you do from now to get out of doing it again?

eggchipsbeans · 25/02/2024 22:35

Plus puts you in a vulnerable position it an allegation is made. You're definitely not being unreasonable

Aquamarine1029 · 25/02/2024 22:38

YANBU at all and I would not provide this level of help to someone who is barely more than a stranger, nevermind the fact of not being experienced or qualified. I'd be concerned I would inadvertently injure them.

Whatthefack · 25/02/2024 22:41

YANBU
I'd be really upset if I'd been railroaded into something like this. I'd be concerned about any accusations made against me without any witnesses around.

I have an in-law with these kinds of needs, and every so often I help with their care along with a blood relative of the in-law (when the actual carer is having a holiday) but as an 'outsider' we have all mutually agreed I shouldn't do any of the 'intimate' care.

I would raise this with the hobby leaders and say that I'm not comfortable doing this again.

Cvn · 25/02/2024 22:42

YANBU at all! I'm in a job where I come into contact with allllll the bodily fluids. But I would not be happy with this. Not least because it doesn't sound like you had any gloves!!

Onceuponaheartache · 25/02/2024 22:44

Yanbu.

I have worked in home help roles in the past. To lift someone out of a chair and manoeuvre someone onto the toilet can be dangerous for you and them. It should not be done by someone who has not received adequate training.

The woman needs to arrange adequate support.

My neighbour is in her 40s and disabled. Like this lady she can move a small way but any distance needs a chair. Some days she needs help to toilet. Others she is perfectly capable to do it herself. If we go out and it is a bad day she will always check that I am happy to assist with extra care or she will arrange her carer to attend also (I have a buggered shoulder so can't always lift the kettle never mind her).

ladyofshertonabbas · 25/02/2024 22:45

Yanbu

RicePuddingWithCinnamon · 25/02/2024 22:47

eggchipsbeans · 25/02/2024 22:35

Plus puts you in a vulnerable position it an allegation is made. You're definitely not being unreasonable

Yes it does.
it’s also puts the lady in a vulnerable position as she’s having strangers help her when undressed and using the bathroom.

SauronsArsehole · 25/02/2024 22:48

It’s absolutely terrible for her to put you in this situation

Firstly your own safety.

  • it leaves you massively open to accusations of inappropriate behaviour.
  • you are not trained for safe lifting and you shouldn’t be lifting solo without aid of hoist or similar. This is a two person job without lifting aid assuming she can still stand with help and just can’t undress.
  • you have no gloves or apron to handle what is essentially a biohazard

Notify your chairwoman so this can be handled delicately and she can back you up that you are a guest not a paid carer and that you won’t be expected in any way to help with toileting needs.

the chairwoman needs the handle the rest. As cold as this is, it is Not your problem to solve.

IloveAslan · 25/02/2024 22:51

YANBU.

Mumoftwo1312 · 25/02/2024 22:51

Yanbu at all, you shouldn't have been put in that position.

Hopefully it won't happen again though. Surely the woman got the hint that she expected too much of you this time, and will make alternative provision for next time.

BritneyBookClubPresident · 25/02/2024 23:01

SauronsArsehole · 25/02/2024 22:48

It’s absolutely terrible for her to put you in this situation

Firstly your own safety.

  • it leaves you massively open to accusations of inappropriate behaviour.
  • you are not trained for safe lifting and you shouldn’t be lifting solo without aid of hoist or similar. This is a two person job without lifting aid assuming she can still stand with help and just can’t undress.
  • you have no gloves or apron to handle what is essentially a biohazard

Notify your chairwoman so this can be handled delicately and she can back you up that you are a guest not a paid carer and that you won’t be expected in any way to help with toileting needs.

the chairwoman needs the handle the rest. As cold as this is, it is Not your problem to solve.

This

OnTheRoll · 25/02/2024 23:04

SauronsArsehole · 25/02/2024 22:48

It’s absolutely terrible for her to put you in this situation

Firstly your own safety.

  • it leaves you massively open to accusations of inappropriate behaviour.
  • you are not trained for safe lifting and you shouldn’t be lifting solo without aid of hoist or similar. This is a two person job without lifting aid assuming she can still stand with help and just can’t undress.
  • you have no gloves or apron to handle what is essentially a biohazard

Notify your chairwoman so this can be handled delicately and she can back you up that you are a guest not a paid carer and that you won’t be expected in any way to help with toileting needs.

the chairwoman needs the handle the rest. As cold as this is, it is Not your problem to solve.

Are all these reasons even needed? Would a simple 'I don't want to do it' not be sufficient justification for the OP to know that she would not be unreasonable to refuse to do it?

OnTheRoll · 25/02/2024 23:06

I can just imagine a man saying awkwardly 'I am sorry, I cannot do it, I'll get somebody, I am sorry' and backing out of the toilet. Yet, a woman will be mortified inside (like the OP) and still do it.

Blackcats7 · 25/02/2024 23:09

This is completely bizarre. As a disabled person I cannot believe anyone would want let alone expect personal care from someone who is just acquaintance. Privacy and dignity is even more precious when in a position of physical disadvantage.
Is there something more to this for this woman to be so disinhibited?
The group leader needs to talk to this lady about her needs before she attends in future.