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DontVisitCabotCove · 2024-02-25T16:18:46+00:00

DB, his partner “Jane” & her 2 kids have been staying with me - in my house - after the house they were buying fell through. They had been looking at other properties to buy but have since decided to end their relationship so that’s no longer happening. Yesterday while my DB and I were out and unbeknownst to me, Jane had an estate agent over to value my house & as he was leaving he told her he’d send her an email with the valuation & they were talking about viewings etc. Today Jane asked me to give her a letter stating that my brother is living here but wouldn’t tell me why she wanted it & was really unhappy when I said I’d give her a letter saying they were both temporarily staying with me as that’s the actual truth. What on earth could she be up to? I’m honestly baffled! Should I tell her that I know about the valuation? Should I tell my DB about all of this? On one hand I don’t want to get involved in their troubles or make things worse (things are bad enough between them already) but on the other hand I feel I’m being drawn into it as it’s my bloody house she had valued!

Dontbeme · 26/02/2024 12:47

I wouldn't trust brother or his ex girlfriend. You have been kind to house them and they repay you by whatever nonsense this is, if brother is not involved he has still brought this batshittery into your life when you are vulnerable. Time for both of them to go.

FilthyforFirth · 26/02/2024 12:50

I'm not sure on all the brother hate. He seems to have reacted exactly the way you would expect someone in his shoes to. OP seems to trust him and knows him better than us.

What utterly bizarre behaviour. Sorry you are dealing with this on top of everything else. I hope it gets sorted soon.

chrispychilli · 26/02/2024 12:50

I am just so sorry this is happening OP on top of being so ill. Lots of great advice from others - the Land Registery notification is really helpful- I put one on my DMs house when a suspicious gentlemen caller popped up which gave me peace of mind. Sending a 🫂.

Suchagroovyguy · 26/02/2024 12:50

Brother: “Jane, Sister will be out on Wednesday. I’ve arranged the EA to come then so we can find out how much this place is worth for when she’s dead. Can you let them in?”

Brother: “Fuck, she looked at the Ring footage and knows. Shit. I’ve told her it was you. I’m going to have to look like I’m kicking you out ok, otherwise she might write me out of the will? I’m really sorry. Go stay with your mum. We need her to trust me.”

But then I’m really, really cynical.

FilthyforFirth · 26/02/2024 12:53

Suchagroovyguy · 26/02/2024 12:50

Brother: “Jane, Sister will be out on Wednesday. I’ve arranged the EA to come then so we can find out how much this place is worth for when she’s dead. Can you let them in?”

Brother: “Fuck, she looked at the Ring footage and knows. Shit. I’ve told her it was you. I’m going to have to look like I’m kicking you out ok, otherwise she might write me out of the will? I’m really sorry. Go stay with your mum. We need her to trust me.”

But then I’m really, really cynical.

Ok, fair enough. That does sound plausible, though I hope not for the OPs sake.

LakeTiticaca · 26/02/2024 12:55

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 26/02/2024 12:47

Bear in mind it’s OP’s life here and she’s seriously ill here, it’s not an EE episode.

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Yes I am fully aware of this and OP has free will to post which she has done, and given many pps a valuable insight into something that most would never imagine possible, that someone could potentially steal your home. And for that we thank her and we want to know the outcome, and that OP is OK

Floppyelf · 26/02/2024 13:08

Weird. Following this thread.

Somanystupidpeople · 26/02/2024 13:10

DontVisitCabotCove · 25/02/2024 21:54

Thanks again guys, I feel a bit of an idiot to be honest as any sort of fraud didn’t even enter my mind. My head is all over the place with trying to come to terms with my updated prognosis plus physically coping with treatment; I’m not usually this much of a dummy, I swear! Thank goodness for MN and also for the delivery driver putting my parcel in my wheelie bin instead of ringing the bell.

To answer some more questions:

All my ID and personal documents are completely secure, they’re in a locked safe that no one (apart from my parents who are my LPAs) even knows about
Due to my illness, my affairs are all in order and I have a solicitor so when I contact them about the Form LL restriction, I’ll check if there’s anything else I need to do
I didn’t give Jane the letter she asked for so she won’t have a copy of my signature
No I don’t have children and yes my DB is set to inherit (along with my other siblings) but as they’re not married I don’t believe she will have a claim on anything
Yes their house purchase genuinely fell through and I have no suspicions about my DB’s motives as he’s already benefitted but Jane will definitely be worse off now they’ve broken up
I don’t know much about Jane’s rental situation apart from her move in date and that she needs some furniture which I offered
I have a DP but we don’t live together full time (due to him having kids) but he’s away at the moment

My DB is absolutely furious as obviously I don’t need this right now and he’s as baffled as I am. He’s told me he’ll get to the bottom of it though and get me the name of the estate agent and also encouraged me to log it with police as some of you have.

I'm suspicious of your brother (as many posters here are). He stands to inherit your house so he is probably complicit in Jane's odd behaviour. Do your other siblings have children? In your will, leave the sale of the house in the trust funds of your nieces/nephews.

MILTOBE · 26/02/2024 13:14

Suchagroovyguy · 26/02/2024 12:50

Brother: “Jane, Sister will be out on Wednesday. I’ve arranged the EA to come then so we can find out how much this place is worth for when she’s dead. Can you let them in?”

Brother: “Fuck, she looked at the Ring footage and knows. Shit. I’ve told her it was you. I’m going to have to look like I’m kicking you out ok, otherwise she might write me out of the will? I’m really sorry. Go stay with your mum. We need her to trust me.”

But then I’m really, really cynical.

Extremely insensitive post.

In any case, her brother and his ex girlfriend had split up before the doorbell footage.

Hatty65 · 26/02/2024 13:14

I'm not necessarily suspicious of brother, but I do wonder if Jane is planning on telling her solicitor that he's about to inherit your house and therefore this is its value and it needs including in the divorce settlement?

I'm very sorry to hear about your illness; this is the last sort of stress that you need. I took 'life limiting' to mean that this will likely mean you don't make it to 100, rather than anything more immediate, but I do hope this isn't the case. Could Jane be planning on getting her grubby mitts on part of your house in future settlement, whilst you are still alive?

Bouledeneige · 26/02/2024 13:15

Read the thread. DB is not married. No divorce.

pontipinemum · 26/02/2024 13:16

That is all so weird, and fishy and odd!!

I would also want to find out who the estate agent is.

Hatty65 · 26/02/2024 13:19

Bouledeneige · 26/02/2024 13:15

Read the thread. DB is not married. No divorce.

Even without a divorce, they have DC and a lot of women seem to feel they have the same legal rights as 'a common law wife' as a married couple. They don't. But some still think they are entitled to 50% of assets if they live with someone. I suspect Jane thinks she's entitled to half of whatever assets brother may inherit and is getting them valued. The fact that she is wrong (and batshit) doesn't mean this isn't why she's doing it. OP wanted to know 'what is she up to?'.

This is my suggestion.

GuinnessBird · 26/02/2024 13:21

Hatty65 · 26/02/2024 13:19

Even without a divorce, they have DC and a lot of women seem to feel they have the same legal rights as 'a common law wife' as a married couple. They don't. But some still think they are entitled to 50% of assets if they live with someone. I suspect Jane thinks she's entitled to half of whatever assets brother may inherit and is getting them valued. The fact that she is wrong (and batshit) doesn't mean this isn't why she's doing it. OP wanted to know 'what is she up to?'.

This is my suggestion.

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The children are not his.

CaptainMyCaptain · 26/02/2024 13:21

Hatty65 · 26/02/2024 13:19

Even without a divorce, they have DC and a lot of women seem to feel they have the same legal rights as 'a common law wife' as a married couple. They don't. But some still think they are entitled to 50% of assets if they live with someone. I suspect Jane thinks she's entitled to half of whatever assets brother may inherit and is getting them valued. The fact that she is wrong (and batshit) doesn't mean this isn't why she's doing it. OP wanted to know 'what is she up to?'.

This is my suggestion.

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They're not the brother's children. She has no claim RTFT.

FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 26/02/2024 13:21

Hatty65 · 26/02/2024 13:19

Even without a divorce, they have DC and a lot of women seem to feel they have the same legal rights as 'a common law wife' as a married couple. They don't. But some still think they are entitled to 50% of assets if they live with someone. I suspect Jane thinks she's entitled to half of whatever assets brother may inherit and is getting them valued. The fact that she is wrong (and batshit) doesn't mean this isn't why she's doing it. OP wanted to know 'what is she up to?'.

This is my suggestion.

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They don't have DC. Jane's kids aren't the OP's brother's.

pinkyredrose · 26/02/2024 13:22

Hatty65 · 26/02/2024 13:19

Even without a divorce, they have DC and a lot of women seem to feel they have the same legal rights as 'a common law wife' as a married couple. They don't. But some still think they are entitled to 50% of assets if they live with someone. I suspect Jane thinks she's entitled to half of whatever assets brother may inherit and is getting them valued. The fact that she is wrong (and batshit) doesn't mean this isn't why she's doing it. OP wanted to know 'what is she up to?'.

This is my suggestion.

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They don't have children!

This thread is ticking all the RTFT boxes!

DamnSpots · 26/02/2024 13:26

Suchagroovyguy · 26/02/2024 12:50

Brother: “Jane, Sister will be out on Wednesday. I’ve arranged the EA to come then so we can find out how much this place is worth for when she’s dead. Can you let them in?”

Brother: “Fuck, she looked at the Ring footage and knows. Shit. I’ve told her it was you. I’m going to have to look like I’m kicking you out ok, otherwise she might write me out of the will? I’m really sorry. Go stay with your mum. We need her to trust me.”

But then I’m really, really cynical.

Why would anyone go to the bother of getting an estate agent over purely to do a valuation? You can go to Zoopla and get a reasonably accurate valuation of any house anywhere you fancy - certainly close enough for if you're just speculatively seeing what you stand to inherit. So actually, this little dialogue doesn't work.

The only reason I can see that someone would have an estate agent over to value a property, and to be discussing viewings, is because they're actually planning on trying to sell it.

LenaLamont · 26/02/2024 13:27

OP, I'm so sorry for your diagnosis. I'm also sorry you are dealing with Jane's batshittery when you should be spending time with the people you care about and concentrating on evrything that matters to you.

Leave your brother to investigate the estate agent angle and best of luck with your current treatment.

If such things were possible via Mumsnet, I'd send you a huge bunch of spring flowers to brighten your week.

Beach1234 · 26/02/2024 13:29

I had to sign a form at the estate agent to declare the house was mine to sell… I would be contacting the estate agents asap!

And she needs to leave now!

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 26/02/2024 13:33

It could be possible that Jane thinks she has some sort of right to the property, brother may have told her OP has left the property to her in the will and by some way Jane thinks she has a claim. Saw a few similar cases to these when I worked as a legal sec/PA. Also I've known of some people try to log into LR portals to see who's named on deeds or want to get them changed or how it's worded (tenants in common etc). I wouldn't trust Jane as far as I can throw her, no matter OP says all her docs are locked up and solicitors involved, some people get access to them by hook or by crook. I've heard of solicitors have someone try to get access to a client's details/case and most of them naturally as breach of contract deny this! But nothing surprises me what people will try!

Suchagroovyguy · 26/02/2024 13:34

MILTOBE · 26/02/2024 13:14

Extremely insensitive post.

In any case, her brother and his ex girlfriend had split up before the doorbell footage.

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Get a grip. It’s an illustration of why I don’t trust the brother and think the OP needs to be extremely careful.

Suchagroovyguy · 26/02/2024 13:35

DamnSpots · 26/02/2024 13:26

Why would anyone go to the bother of getting an estate agent over purely to do a valuation? You can go to Zoopla and get a reasonably accurate valuation of any house anywhere you fancy - certainly close enough for if you're just speculatively seeing what you stand to inherit. So actually, this little dialogue doesn't work.

The only reason I can see that someone would have an estate agent over to value a property, and to be discussing viewings, is because they're actually planning on trying to sell it.

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If you want an accurate valuation you need someone to view the property and place it within the current market.

It was an illustration as to why I think the OP should closely examine her brother too.

People seem rather linear on here today.

CoraPirbright · 26/02/2024 13:36

I have been on MN for nearly 20 years now and I have never seen a thread in which so many people are failing to grasp the key points:

the brother and Jane are not married
the children are Janes’s alone- DB is not their father

Please stop going on about divorce settlements or maintenance!

selectiveparticipations · 26/02/2024 13:37

Who did she tell the estate agent she was?