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To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 15:42

Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

Scarlet Blake

Cat killer Scarlet Blake found guilty of murdering Jorge Martin Carreno

Jorge Martin Carreno was pulled from a river after being killed by Scarlet Blake in 2021.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

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ArabellaScott · 24/02/2024 08:23

For me it's just very simple - the media shouldn't lie to us. It shouldn't be allowed to lie. A man is not a woman and never will be. It's deliberate deception and misrepresentation of a very basic fact.

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SaltySoo · 24/02/2024 08:34

Carefully considered my arse.

They just didn't want people to know. That's what they were carefully considering.

Jolie12345 · 24/02/2024 08:36

Sky news has updated their story…. To completely remove ANY reference to transgender. Now it’s just firmly WOMAN with no hint of doubt.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 24/02/2024 08:38

Utter fuckers

TheKeatingFive · 24/02/2024 08:54

SaltySoo · 24/02/2024 08:34

Carefully considered my arse.

They just didn't want people to know. That's what they were carefully considering.

This.

They don't give a shiny shit about the impact on female prisoners. They only care about the PR.

Gingangoolee · 24/02/2024 08:55

From the news reports I’m still not sure of what the killer’s birth sex was. I’ve complained to BBC using the link at the start of thread (thx for posting) that their report isn’t clear and said a key fact like that should be stated otherwise it skews perceptions. I only googled the name further as I was absolutely stunned a woman had done this (I realise women do bad things too, but my instinct was ‘woah can’t believe that’).

Gingangoolee · 24/02/2024 09:03

Sorry correction just read telegraph online which says they were born male - it wasn’t obvious at all from other reports I’d read

QuillBill · 24/02/2024 09:06

From the news reports I’m still not sure of what the killer’s birth sex was.

No, you wouldn't be. That's the problem.

Chersfrozenface · 24/02/2024 09:07

Gingangoolee · 24/02/2024 08:55

From the news reports I’m still not sure of what the killer’s birth sex was. I’ve complained to BBC using the link at the start of thread (thx for posting) that their report isn’t clear and said a key fact like that should be stated otherwise it skews perceptions. I only googled the name further as I was absolutely stunned a woman had done this (I realise women do bad things too, but my instinct was ‘woah can’t believe that’).

The killer's birth sex is male. Indeed his past, present and future sex is male, since humans can't change sex.

His voice on the arrest video is male, his gait in the CCTV video is male. He said in court that he "came out as transgender" at the age of 12, meaning that he declared he was no longer a boy and adopted a series of traditionally female names.

But no, sas said by others, you would not know simply from the reports.

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2024 09:17

Jolie12345 · 24/02/2024 08:36

Sky news has updated their story…. To completely remove ANY reference to transgender. Now it’s just firmly WOMAN with no hint of doubt.

Fucksake! It just gets worse!

The media are fucked.

Where do we go to call for an enquiry into this? MPs? Culture Secretary?

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Chersfrozenface · 24/02/2024 09:23

The Sky News story I just looked at has the words "Prosecutors said Blake, who is transgender..." at the start of the fifth paragraph (counting the content warning as one para).

Still not clear, factual or truthful enough.

https://news.sky.com/story/scarlet-blake-who-killed-a-cat-and-put-animal-in-blender-found-guilty-of-mans-murder-13078190

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/02/2024 09:31

A couple of weeks ago when the trial was just getting under way there was a thread on MN which in the end was deleted because it was mostly trying to establish whether Blake was female, as all the reporting indicated, or male, as seemed overwhelmingly likely looking at crime statistics and what is known about the attributes of sadistic killers of both other animals and humans.

Looking at the specifics of this case, a healthy young man, over 6' in height, had been overpowered by an assailant, strangled and thrown into the river. Even allowing for the element of surprise, given it was during the night, and the victim being very drunk, it looked unlikely that a woman could have done this just considering the physical strength required, before we even start on the psychology. The assailant and victim were completely unknown to each other, and that's also a very uncommon feature of murders committed by women.

All of which leads me to wonder now what the jury were making of all of this. Without a transcript of the trial, we will never know, but were they briefed in any way about Blake's background at the start? Or were they just sitting there wondering whether Blake was male or female and whether it would be interpreted as bigotry to ask? Eventually the defence barrister called Blake as a witness and from the accounts I saw it seems Blake talked about childhood difficulties, including coming out as transgender to his parents aged 12, and their adverse reaction to that. That was when the media finally reported that Blake was trans, but as we've seen from the reactions on this thread the wording has left many intelligent people thoroughly confused about Blake's sex. Was it clearer to the jury?

I do think this is relevant, as in a case with less clearcut evidence the jury would be trying to take into account factors like the physical strength of the defendant and the victim. Knowing that a defendant constantly referred to as a woman was actually a male who went through normal male puberty is important.

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2024 09:31

Chersfrozenface · 24/02/2024 09:23

The Sky News story I just looked at has the words "Prosecutors said Blake, who is transgender..." at the start of the fifth paragraph (counting the content warning as one para).

Still not clear, factual or truthful enough.

https://news.sky.com/story/scarlet-blake-who-killed-a-cat-and-put-animal-in-blender-found-guilty-of-mans-murder-13078190

And there's a strapline just above the article that is ironic in the extreme:

'Why you can trust Sky News

A woman who filmed herself killing a cat before putting the animal in a blender has been found guilty of murdering a man four months later.'

Sky News policies and standards

Sky News policies and standards

https://news.sky.com/info/policies-and-standards

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Walkaround · 24/02/2024 09:37

When a crime has been committed, when it relates to sport, when it relates to employment statistics and discrimination, when it relates to domestic abuse, when it relates to medical care: society needs to know the biological sex of the person concerned. In all those instances, it is highly relevant what the actual sex of the person is. Discrimination against women and discrimination against trans women are two completely different things (because, like it or not, trans women are trans women, they are not women). I’m fed up with minority groups trying to force their way into a majority group they do not belong to.

It takes all sorts to make a world. We should learn to accept that, not to pretend that someone’s chosen gender trumps biology.

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2024 09:39

Oh, Sky are part of 'The Trust Project', apparently.

'We aim to be the best and most trusted place for news. Made by people who dare to challenge. Made for people who want clarity in an uncertain world.'

...

'We actively monitor the Sky News inbox at all times. If someone does contact us to query or challenge a fact we have broadcast or published, we will take detailed notes of where and when it happened.
Rather than engaging in a discussion we will make a note of their name, number and the time of the call, and refer it to the Output Editor and/or the Managing Editor. If it relates to a legal issue we ensure our dedicated legal adviser is aware.
They will then investigate what action is required to rectify the error on whichever platform it is published.'

'We also expect our journalists to adhere to the Ofcom Broadcasting Code.'

I cannot find a way to complain about the website, though. The complaints address is for SkyTV.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/19287/bcode09.pdf

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Saladpops · 24/02/2024 10:02

Why isn't the headline part-time cat kills another cat in a blender and then pounces on and murders a random 6 foot tall man?

2dogsandabudgie · 24/02/2024 10:04

Thank you for the complaints link at the beginning of the thread OP. I have complained to the BBC and urge others to do the same.

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2024 10:18

Saladpops · 24/02/2024 10:02

Why isn't the headline part-time cat kills another cat in a blender and then pounces on and murders a random 6 foot tall man?

Yes. This man claimed he was sometimes a cat. He was also microchipped.

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ArabellaScott · 24/02/2024 10:31

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1ayc3m9/trans_murderer_scarlet_blake_is_being_used_to/

Reddit discussing this thread.

'Essentially they're saying that the press calling Scarlet a woman is skewing the 'crime statistics', which is rubbish because there are so few trans criminals the effect on crime stats is negligible.* *Their fear is that if the crime stats show more women committing crime (than there actually are) women will lose their moral high ground vs. men.'

'...saying men are inherently less moral is incredibly harmful, and has been used by right wingers to rationalise violence'

Isn't it funny how this sounds like every MRA you ever heard prior to around 2017?

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Saladpops · 24/02/2024 10:33

Sounds like incels to me

Saladpops · 24/02/2024 10:35

It's also interesting that they are talking about morality. But the issue isn't morality. It's male violence.

Saladpops · 24/02/2024 10:36

As we know that men are more violent than women. They are trying to twist it to suggest it is harmful to say women are more moral than men. No. Women are less violent than men. It's a fact.

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2024 10:36

Yes, indeed. Risk assessment, statistics, policing, law.

Practical matters affected by material reality, including sex.

Trans activists attempting to swerve it into emotive territory, including morality.

Men's feels positioned as more important than society's safety.

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Chersfrozenface · 24/02/2024 10:37

Saladpops · 24/02/2024 10:35

It's also interesting that they are talking about morality. But the issue isn't morality. It's male violence.

It's the facts, the truth about male violence.

I expect that's what they don't want people to know.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/02/2024 10:38

This case has been reported on the Oxford Mail website for months now and it's only in the last week or so that I can remember them mentioning that Scarlet is a transwoman. In fact, I remember just a few days ago reading that fact and being surprised it wasn't mentioned earlier. Until just a week or so ago, I was under the impression that Scarlet was a woman - this was all down to the reporting on the local news site.

They only mentioned it because it was part of Scarlet's testimony that they were live blogging at the time.