To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

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Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

those who are assigned male at birth, (who do, for some reason we don't fully understand, seem to make up the majority of trans people. It's possible that autism may play a role).

On the strength of this sentence, I'm going to guess that Erin is an older transwoman who hasn't grasped that the big growth area in recent years is in girls approaching or going through puberty coming out as transboys or non-binary. Autism appears to be a big factor here, along with pre-existing mental helath problems, family trauma and a history of experiencing sexual abuse. This has all the hallmarks of a social contagion, but research into why this is happening has been ruthlessly targeted by activists as bigoted and transphobic, so there isn't much to go on.

Oddly, given the publicity around this area, and the normalisation of coming out as trans, adult women have not being coming out in droves as transmen or non-binary. It's almost as if the older gender clinicians were right when they said that the vast majority of gender-confused children and teens would come to terms with their natal sex once they got through puberty.

Does this sad poster have any sad feels about Carreno's family and friends having to live with not only their son/brother/grandson/cousin/friend/etc being brutally murdered but having the story of his death, HIS truth, utterly fucking butchered by the court and the press.

No sad feels about that?

@Erin394 I wonder if you hold similar views about inequality in other areas? E.g. if a black person kills somebody, do you think it's right to thrust their ethnicity front and centre?

Well, if I was black, and a white murderer was described in every press outlet as 'black' then I might be a bit annoyed.

I can’t believe we’re even having to go here with @Erin394 , but aside from anything else, prisons are not separated by ethnicity / race. They are separated by sex. Hence why it is important to discuss the sex of violent offenders to ensure that males are not placed in the female estate. The safety of female prisoners trumps the feelings of biological males.

1. There is no way a male can 'feel like a woman'. Only his idea of how a woman might feel. (Also women do have testosterone, just a lot less than men).
2. Sex is determined at conception.
3. Scarlet Blake is a man. He has various paraphilias; he remains a man. As all men do - nothing to do with whether they've committed a crime or 'done something masculine'.

Maybe because being trans isn't the reason that a bad person commits a crime, but being denied basic healthcare and wanting to get on with our lives is something that most of us are afforded? Most of us don't need or care for your sympathy.

99% of us just want to get on with our lives, and the fact most people will walk past trans people all the time without realising is testament to that. But the media just can't help but use us as rage bait to get clicks.

I wonder if you hold similar views about inequality in other areas? E.g. if a black person kills somebody, do you think it's right to thrust their ethnicity front and centre?

I would thank you for your answer but as it is a complete non answer and misses the glaringly obvious, I won't.

Technically all female people have all the gametes that they will ever potentially produce when they are born. Those gametes are simply not yet matured, of course.

Just want to add, also true for males. Boy embryos already have all their spermatagonia (immature sperm).

Thanks, though, Erin, for offering your thoughts.

It's genuinely helpful to have a chance to hear the trans activist side.

Erin I don't think people are saying it's important to know Blake is transgender. They're saying it's important to know Blake is male.

For what it's worth I believe most trans people are ordinary decent people. I also believe most male people are ordinary decent people.

However it's still true that vastly more violent or sexual crimes are committed by males than females. We shouldn't be lied to about someone's sex, and their sex should be recorded correctly if they commit a crime.

It's also true that female people need their own spaces, safe from male people. This is particularly true in prison where a lot of the males are violent.

I'm furious because it skews the crime figures. All kinds of atrocities committed by MEN are being chalked up as crimes committed by women.

He's a man. There's nothing more complex to it than that. He may have various mental health problems, paraphilias, personality disorders. He is a man.

bitter cisgender people

Ah, there we go. Why would women be bitter, do you think?

They are either a female with a male body, or a male with a female brain. It depends on which you think takes priority. I think the brain should take priority.

He's a man with a male brain.

I don't care if this man had the brain of a Lesser Spotted Woodpecker to be frank.

What matters is that this was a man that tortured animals and murdered a person.
Nothing can take away the pain of the family but I hope he serves a whole of life sentence for his crime.

It is important to me that it was a male crime committed by a man and that women are not implicated because it is extremely rare for a woman to commit this sort of crime, and I want it to stay that way. Public perceptions/crime statistics should not be distorted by men calling themselves women.

I do hope that the suffering and loss of the victim and the pain of their family and friends isn't forgotten because of the circumstances of the perpetrator and the reporting of the case. The victim and their family are the people that deserve respect here not the perpetrator.

I'm not bitter, mate, I'm fucking raging. There's a difference.

Also, that wasn't the point of the thread (the point of the thread was for a minority of bitter cisgender people to vent and feel justified in their anger towards the existence of trans people).

The point of this thread is to say that women here don't accept this murdering man as a woman, whatever he thinks about himself, and we're really quite angry about being gaslighted and lied to about it.

They are either a female with a male body, or a male with a female brain. It depends on which you think takes priority. I think the brain should take priority.

This is utter nonsense. There is no such thing as a female brain, except in the literal sense that female bodies contain brains.

I'd be rolling my eyes and ignoring this piffle if it weren't for the incredible fact that politicians, judges, the police, schools, hospitals and so on have mostly bought into this ideology and are busily changing laws and policies, converting separate male and female toilets, changing rooms etc into unisex and making health education messages so unclear that they'd be better off not bothering.

Well Erin, I can think of something worse than being a transwoman in a male prison (where they’d probably be classed as vulnerable and have protection).
Being a woman imprisoned with a transwoman is worse, as such inmates have explained. Being unable to escape the company of transwomen when you are a smaller, weaker woman who has almost inevitably already suffered trauma at the hands of men. Having your weight lifting trophy given to the transwoman prisoner who can lift more than you for some mysterious reason. Being sexually assaulted by a transwoman in prison.

I have never heard such utter bollocks as has been spouted by one or two on here.

And I’m not a bitter cis woman. I’m a woman who has raised children, cared for elders, worked/studied in both typically female and typically male fields, and knows biology.

They are either a female with a male body, or a male with a female brain. It depends on which you think takes priority. I think the brain should take priority.

There is no such thing. If someone is male, then their brain is by definition male.

If we’re throwing insults around about women who disagree with you, here are a few about people who disagree with me-
deluded
naive
selfish
desperate… all perfectly appropriate terms for people who prefer to ignore truth in favour of their preferences.

Stepping away as my blood pressure is soaring and I don’t have a BP problem!

Oh dear the entire lack of any understanding of biology, law or language that Erin and their like shows is unutterably depressing.
Scarlet's a man. Over 90% of violent crime is committed by men. It is therefore not at all surprising that Scarlet is a man. It would be extremely out of the ordinary if that crime had been committed by a woman. But it wasn't.

They are either a female with a male body, or a male with a female brain. It depends on which you think takes priority. I think the brain should take priority.

In my world, this is known as "making shit up".

"Can't think of anything worse.."

Really?!

Like a beacon flashing out the male perception of the world.

Sex is not determined at conception. Most people think it is - but the only thing determined at conception is the plan for the development of a certain sex. For the sex to actually be developed, that plan needs to work out.

The gonads in human fetuses initially develop in a bi-potential state, meaning they can become either ovaries or testes. The SRY gene on the Y chromosome releases a protein called testis-determining factor (TDF). This protein then starts a chain reaction with SOX9 production (another protein), which causes the gonadal cells to form into the Sertoli and Leydig cells that make up the testes. If TDF is never produced or is interfered with, the gonad cells form into the Theca cells and follicles (which comprise the ovaries).

Once formed, the testes then begin producing a testosterone surge which typically starts in the eighth week of gestation and continues until the 24th week. This surge, combined with another hormone from the placenta, is responsible for the development of the penis and scrotum. Genitalia formation starts around week nine and becomes identifiable by the 11th week. If the surge does not occur, or the body does not respond to it (such as in the case of androgen insensitivity syndrome) then the genitalia form into the vulva, vagina, and uterus instead.

If there is an interference in this process then we can end up with the wrong bits, and this is the result of many intersex conditions. Oftentimes this is a partial development, where the external genitalia only partially form but functional gonads still exist. Sometimes children come out with fully functional male or female genitalia, but mismatched gonads. Sometimes the TDF protein fails to release and the fetus grows completely functional female reproductive organs, despite the presence of a Y chromosome.

The fact is, the vast majority of the population has never been tested for genetic karyotype, so we don’t know how common these cases actually are. Where does this come into effect for gender identity? Well, the exact same process that causes the external genitals to differentiate also occurs for the brain.

The prenatal brain doesn’t really start to develop until between week 12 and 24. The cerebral cortex, the thin outer layer of the brain that contains most of what we think of as consciousness, grows substantially during those periods of time. Prior to that, the structure present is more like a scaffolding — the basic parts of the nervous system necessary for bodily function. The primary sulci (the wrinkles in the cerebral cortex that allow for more surface area) start to form at week 14, well after the genitals have developed.

It has been confirmed multiple times via MRI studies that there are small but significant differences between cis male and cis female brains — differences which align with the gender identities of trans people in the study. Note that this does not mean that anyone with those differences will have that gender; gender identity isn’t that simple, but it provides evidence that there is a clear difference in masculine and feminine brains. There is also evidence that brains can have mosaic combinations of these differences, which may be the case in non-binary people.

A change in the testosterone levels in the fetus after the 11th week can directly impact the masculinization of the cerebral cortex, as well as changes in other parts of the brain structure. This has been examined over and over again in studies of female-assigned children with CAH (congenital adrenal hyperplasia) and CAIS (complete androgen insensitivity syndrome).

An excess of testosterone in the mother’s body during the second trimester can (and does) cause masculinization of the brain in an externally female fetus, and an interference in testosterone production or uptake can (and does) cause feminization of the brain in an externally male fetus. This interference does not have to be external in origin, either. Any number of genetic traits can cause the brain to respond differently to testosterone.

A fairly large study of transgender individuals released in 2018 found several key genes (https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/2/390/5104458) which were statistically more likely to be longer among trans women (longer as in having more repeated fragments). Individually these genes may not have an impact strong enough to cause a malfunction of masculinization, but collectively they absolutely could reduce the ability for the fetal brain to masculinize. These genes are all passed from parent to child, giving credence to a tendency for trans parents to have trans children.