To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

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Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

It's such bollocks, the brain scan thing. The "transwomen's" brains are MALE BRAINS. By absolute definition any features they show are part of the variety within the male population. You don't get brain tissue made from XX cells and the rest of the body made from XY.

Oh and the reason we might be "focusing on the trans status" of this sick bastard criminal is because the whole of the national fucking press are trying their best to hide it and make out like this was a woman and a woman's crime.

Fuck that noise.

But since most cis people don't grasp what's going on in the heads of trans people,

You are saying that being trans is a mental condition? Ooops you will get eviscerated for that by the TRAs.

You are saying that the basis of being female or male is a feeling in someone's head which no-one else can understand?
One thing is certain the feeling in any male person's head about what being female is is a load of nonsense, no male can ever know what it is to be female, it all they have is a male idea of what female is.A feeling in someone's head does not determine the sex of the person.

One thing is certain the feeling in any male person's head about what being female is is a load of nonsense, no male can ever know what it is to be female, it all they have is a male idea of what female is.

And they demonstrate just what a very male view of women they have on a regular basis. Not just those who identify as trans, but their sexist male allies.

Thank you.

I have seen this before. I am surprised that you found it compelling.

It is a great start for sure, but there was little to report. The male people with trans identities were not shown to be female though.

There are so many aspects to be accounted for here.

Sexual orientation for a start.

"Moreover, given that sexual orientation has been reported to affect brain anatomy"

Interests and activities is another. It is very well known that interests and activities have a dramatic impact on the pathways of the brain. If someone has interests that are considered by some regressive people to be 'female' interests then of course a male brain who rejects 'male' interests will start to take on aspects found in 'female' brains. This is really remarkable that this has not been considered in this study.

I am sorry if you have believed others who have said that this study is some kind of proof. But it is not showing what you want it to show. It is a place to start, but drawing any conclusion that a male person who is trans is somehow in the 'wrong body' because they have a 'female' brain is simply false and offensive to female people.

There is a physical differences in brains between male and female people, to be sure. This also means there is differences in how the brains work because of the difference in shape, in difference in % of grey matter and a slew of other differences. But this study is not what you want it to be.

Interesting how when it suits, particularly to garner sympathy and push the most vulnerable and oppressed line the trans status of an individual is front, centre and all important and yet when it comes to cases like this one secrecy and obfuscation are the order of the day.

Why is that @Erin394 ?

Any chance of an answer to this @Erin394 . Why is trans status important and shouted from the rooftops in some cases but deliberately hidden and not mentioned in others?

I never said it was proof that trans women have brains that fall into the parameters of cis women. Please don't put words in my mouth. It does however suggest that something is going on beneath the surface. If even one lurker here clocks onto that, I'm content.

And by all means, cherry pick a few quotes to suit your agenda. Personally I prefer to look objectively at the facts.

Also, hormomes affect brain development. If a transwoman has had the wrong hormones running through their brain for their entire life then of course it is going to be masculinised to some extent.

Funny you don't hesitate to call trans women men though, even though our brains don't fit into normal male brain parameters either. And that's despite all the androgens and testosterone we grew up with (and that makes us severely depressed, which mostly goes away with E and anti-androgens). Perhaps some women here might be able to relate?

Precisely. This is why, unlike @Erin394 , I would never say that I “feel like” a woman. I don’t feel like one, I am one. In the same way, I don’t feel like someone with blue eyes - I am someone with blue eyes.

Thread about the utter egregious covering of the truth about the sex of a vile psychopathic murderer by the whole of the fucking national press. Breaking down trust in the press and possibly a pillar of a functioning democracy.

Sad man is sad because we know he's a man.

Maybe get some perspective duckie.

And statistically, creepy criminality increasingly looks like feature not a bug

For such a miniscule minority they feature heavily in crime statistics for violent, sexual and horrific crimes.

"Gametes are not produced at birth, and that is not how gender is assigned at birth. Some trans people never produce any if they transition, and some people don't even produce any gametes whatsoever, yet they aren't viewed as being sexless."

Technically all female people have all the gametes that they will ever potentially produce when they are born. Those gametes are simply not yet matured, of course.

Regardless of gamete production status. All humans are born with a body that has been formed around the production of one of two types of gametes. This is true for even those who may have streak gonads. Therefore, no. No need to ever consider a person 'sexless'. Whatever body modifications through drugs or surgeries that a person does to their body does not remove the facts.

That they have a body that was formed around the production of one type of gamete, whether they ever produce that gamete or not.

Yes, the BBC insists you fill in a form rather than simply send an email if you want it to be categorised as a complaint*. We licensed obedient supplicants pay something like £5m a year (when last I looked - may be more now) for Capita's Audience Services to the BBC, which includes handling the complaints.

It is only after several goes with Capita (being fobbed off with standard wording telling you what the BBC policy is and rarely answering your actual points), if you are persistent enough, that you get to a BBC person in the Executive Complaints Unit, where you may get a more considered individually tailored reply. Even then, satisfaction is not guaranteed as the BBC generally doesn't like to concede that it gets anything wrong. Not to the likes of you anyway. If you are an important body with a media profile, it might be different. Twitter/X would be less laborious and possibly more effective too.

*If you are a stubborn refuser of forms, you can still fire off an email to the BBC -to views@bbc I think it's called - but it won't reach the rarefied status of Complaint. Managers may read it in some sort of daily circular or digest but that's about it.

Funny you don't hesitate to call trans women men though, even though our brains don't fit into normal male brain parameters either. And that's despite all the androgens and testosterone we grew up with (and that makes us severely depressed, which mostly goes away with E and anti-androgens). Perhaps some women here might be able to relate?

If MTFs claimed to be some sort of third "gender" and left women alone, I think they'd have a much easier sell. But of course the people who think they do have a "non binary" personality make it all about their identity as well.

The key is leaving women and girls alone, and not barging into our spaces where we want privacy from male people, and appropriating stuff meant to help female people participate in public life more easily.

But I think that ship has probably sailed now, women are awake to the misogyny.

So true.

Press obfuscates the identity of a murderous psychopath.

@Erin394 turns up to point out accuracy would upset people like him, can we stop it please.

#rapisthill demonstrated.

The appalling appropriation of suffering by those using the ‘first they came for…’ poem to object to correctly identifying sex criminals is outrageous. Absolutely scandalous.

"It does however suggest that something is going on beneath the surface. If even one lurker here clocks onto that, I'm content."

No. It really doesn't suggest that something is going on beneath the surface though. This is misinformation that YOU are spreading.

This study never once segregated for known variables that effect people's brains. It did not separate by sexual orientation. It did not separate by interests and activities or even employment.

Note to readers: There is a study out there that shows that even the employment that people have will cause similarities within the brain. As is the case with London Taxi drivers.

To have a poster suggest there is something going on beneath the surface based on this one study is misinformation at this time.

Maybe because being trans isn't the reason that a bad person commits a crime, but being denied basic healthcare and wanting to get on with our lives is something that most of us are afforded? Most of us don't need or care for your sympathy.

99% of us just want to get on with our lives, and the fact most people will walk past trans people all the time without realising is testament to that. But the media just can't help but use us as rage bait to get clicks.

I wonder if you hold similar views about inequality in other areas? E.g. if a black person kills somebody, do you think it's right to thrust their ethnicity front and centre?

Even if it suggests that all men identifying as trans have something in common, it does not follow that that something is some kind of actual, under the surface womanliness. It could be that they all have the same paraphilia just for example. Obviously it isn't that they all enjoy similar creepy power-based thrills in a sexual way or anything super fucking dodgy like that. Obviously not that.

Whatever the something was though it would be a feature of MALE BEHAVIOUR. By definition.

Maybe because being trans isn't the reason that a bad person commits a crime

Being male, and highly disturbed is the reason that this bad man tortured and killed a cat and put it in the blender, and streamed it to his MTF partner.

It's also the reason he later left his house in the middle of the night with a makeshift garotte, and a poor young man who was the worse the wear from celebrating the end of the Covid lockdown ended up dead in the river. Then he boasted about that to his MTF partner too.

The mansplaining nonsense really makes the case.

But the media just can't help but use us as rage bait to get clicks.

This isn't true, with a couple of exceptions they have gone out of the way to cover up the sex of this man.

@Erin394 , to bring us back to the point of this thread - do you think Scarlet is female? Do you think she should be in a women’s prison?

99% of us just want to get on with our lives

Stay out of women's spaces and stop appropriating their experiences and language and then there will be no problem with that.

I wonder if you hold similar views about inequality in other areas? E.g. if a black person kills somebody, do you think it's right to thrust their ethnicity front and centre?

What inequality? The only inequality I see is that women's rights have been removed because of the demands of trans women, who factually are male.

Now we're supposed to ignore the fact that this was a man who committed this male pattern crime because another male might be upset?

All pretty fucking misogynistic if you ask me.

Oh look, we're playing the "it's like being racist" card again.

No.

If you can't justify your position as is, you don't get to call up absolutely shit analogies that don't stand up to any kind of scrutiny. They can never explain anything without falling back on the false analogy.

It's not the same as racism.

I’m interested in your answer. You believe transwomen are women and that this should be respected even when they commit a violent crime. Does this then extend to placing them in a women’s prison with vulnerable females?

To be honest no. Whining about not being able to get 'basic healthcare ' by which they mean cosmetic surgery whilst cancer victims and women going through menopause are denied similar is not ok in my book.

Maybe accept you are statistically the safest demographic in the UK and stop demanding resources and the centre of attention. (Like this thread about a murder victim for one).