How do you feel about women that don't wear make-up -thread 2

[flutterby1]

Just wondering what your true JUDGY thoughts are? I don't wear makeup often I'm in my mid forties. How am I perceived? Lazy? Frumpy? Not caring? Boring? Can't be bothered to make an effort for others ? Or self confident enough not to ' need' it, regardless of how attractive you view yourself ?

Great article here

https://www.dazeddigital.com/fashion/article/36805/1/why-is-hyperfemininity-expected-of-fat-women-opinion

TL:DR - Society views fat women as lazy/slobbish which is why theres overcompensation for make up/feminine clothing styles. If a thin woman wears jeans and a t shirt its 'Casual' where as fat women its because we are lazy. Its why lots of plus sized fashion is 1950s type dresses etc.

Same applies for make up.

I only wear it occasionally myself, and I don't even think about other people's opinions of it.

It's worth saying some people say they aren't wearing make up when they have fake tan, tinted, microbladed and laminated eyebrows, permanent make up including lip tint, freckles or contour created by fake tan, tinted moisturiser and lash extensions, coloured contact lenses which make the eyes diameter look bigger even if no or minimal colour change. Some do the vaseline eyelash trick to look like mascara or have their lashes permed. No make up to me is literally none of that. It's the face you are born with sans any enhancements, washed.

@Mintyfreshtulips thank you so much.

these threads are always based on the assumption that the make up wearer is choosing make up that enhances beauty or covers flaws etc but there are plenty of women who wear creative and dramatic make up that in no way is about covering flaws and looking more appealing. It is about expression and artistic style. Goths, punks, harajuku, to name just a few. Make up is isn’t just about your run of the mill “every day” look - it’s so much more.

Theres degrees to everything, women who “dont wear make up” quite often do dye their hair, use skin care, perfume, body lotions, paint their nails, style their hair, wear jewellery, buy clothes and undies they feel good in - they are no different to the women who do all that plus slap a bit of colour on their face on a morning. It’s not one or other it’s just a spectrum. Everyone places differently.

It is rare a woman does “nothing”. And when they really do absolutely nothing for personal care you can usually tell. Dry af skin and straw hair. But that’s a choice and I personally dont care about other peoples choices as they don’t affect me.

Good question, I hardly ever wear make up and am uninterested in anyone's thoughts on that. I am really pale so putting a bit of blush or lipstick on makes me look healthier! What do we think of men who don't wear make up 🙂.

One of my closest friends doesn't wear make up. I think nothing of it. She's always well groomed and dressed, just doesn't enjoy or like the feel of it. I'm the total opposite in terms of make up and she doesn't judge me either. It's such a non issue surely?

None of this happened because of what you look like. It happened because those people are nasty fuckwits. It doesn't matter what you look like. The problem has never been you.

None of this happened because of what you look like. It happened because those people are nasty fuckwits. It doesn't matter what you look like. The problem has never been you
Well said
If I ever encounter anyone like that, I always think how pathetic they are and it's not me with issues, it's them.

That’s a great and accurate article.
Strangely the first woman I saw after reading it was a large woman.
She had make up on. Nothing over the top but clearly visible. Foundation, subtle eye shadow, mascara, lipstick. Her nails were painted , her roots were coloured and hair styled. She was wearing a dress too! With a fitted jacket over the top.
I only took so much notice as I had just read that article.
I agree with what it says. Thin women tend not to get criticised for wearing jeans and a jumper. Or shorts and a t shirt without any make up on and their hair tied up very casually.
Fatter women with the same look and suddenly they don’t care about their appearance and get slated for it.

Because one thread where all of the "I'm 40 and never wear makeup" solidarity posts weren't enough?

I wear a full face of makeup every day, it's just my look.
I don't give a shit what anyone else does!

I hear you! Massive skin paranoia after a lifetime of issues. Don't wear loads at all, but enough to reduce my paranoia. On the occasions I haven't bothered with make up I've had people ask me if I'm 'alright'...
I think it's fantastic when people don't wear it and I absolutely wouldn't judge - I'd be admiring their face! Whatever suits you and your lifestyle is just right OP.

I don't care. & I roll eyes when I see women on MN going on & on about it, forever looking for another metaphorical stick to beat women with. Shhh...let people enjoy things. There are enough silly men online whinging on and on about women wearing makeup, both these morose sounding sides should get together and have a monthly whingefest to get the angst out of their system.

Freedom of choice is a thing. I like makeup. Its nothing to do with anybody else how I style my face, nothing to do with me whether or not other women wear makeup.

& all the derogatory sniping about younger women is way out of order.

it depends what i’m doing, where i’m going and who with. i’ll only wear foundation and mascara as my cheeks go red easily and i’m rubbish with lipstick. But sometimes i don’t wear any.

The only time I notice a woman not wearing makeup is when she normally does and suddenly stops.
Personally, I wear it sometimes but not often, I can't be bothered and I don't think it enhances my looks. A bit of mascara maybe but foundation etc just makes me look old. My skin is much nicer without it so I only wear it if covering the occasional spot.

I don't think I can tell who wears makeup or not, unless it's very dramatic and therefore obvious. Of my four work colleagues I don't think any of them wear makeup. I wear brow pencil and that's that. Does that count as makeup?

I wear makeup. Have since I was a teenager late 60s/early 70s

I think I look better with it than without. I think most women look better with it than without but it's totally their choice. I think it's because the skin of British white women can just look washed out. Same thinking about a lot of grey hair (there are few women it suits imo)

I am not a fan of heavy makeup, overdone brows or fake lashes but again, it's their choice and I'd never comment it's just what I think.

Any reason it matters and why are there so many threads?

I think it's fine to criticise society for the way it treats fat women when they are as dressed down as slim women however it is also possible that a fat woman is also very into make up, fashion and hair and would be at any size. There are people who always like to be well turned out and who enjoy skin and hair care. It shouldn't be pity the fat glammed up woman as some sort of victim because it's also possible it's her self expression and what she enjoys doing anyway and at any size.
I have also come acroas women who refused to wear any nice clothes, apply make up or get a nice hairdo because they didn't feel worthy and once the slimmed down, it's like a different women. Being fat and and making effort doesn't fully spare the women from comments either, like 'whats the point? Lipstick on a pig? Spend that time in the gym instead? You'd look nicer if you lost some weight though'.
Women are always judged, I judge too. I don't think there is a woman spared of negatuve judgement in any category. If she's slim it's ED if she's beautiful, it's surgery or using her looks to get ahead....

I hardly ever bother, probably helped by not really looking in the mirror.

No issues with those that do, I just don't see men wearing makeup so don't feel the need to look something I'm not. One benefit is that I look the same first thing in the morning as the rest of the day (even though it's a bit shit).

Some women look great in their makeup though, particularly when it's natural looking.

Gosh, I’m in my 40s and I don’t wear make-up. I hadn’t thought about it much, or been aware it’s noticeable really. I’m in a bubble?
I’m quite average. Normal weight, dress ok but not styled, broadly feminine look with long hair.
No one has every said a word to me.
Theres no thought process, I just didn’t ever start. I might had mascara and lipstick on a night out… but that’s pretty rare.
I work in a professional environment and I don’t feel out of step. There’s a younger group with a very styled look, maybe fillers etc but there’s all plenty of older women either without make up or minimal. It’s maybe 50/50 at work across all ages whether make up is worn noticeably

I’m really sorry you’ve had those awful experiences. It sounds like you’ve met a really unlucky amount of arseholes, whilst others who I bet look similar have been more fortunate. It shapes us, shit like this

I wouldn't even think about it.

Unless your make up was really bad.

It's up to the individual, although I do find myself looking at some women and thinking that they'd look better with a bit of makeup (those with pale barely-there eyelashes, for example, or blotchy complexions) and I find it incongruous when women dress up to go out but don't compliment the look with makeup. Personally I like to wear some light makeup every day (and I'm in my late 50s) though that is my preference, as I enjoy the ritual of applying it and makes me look better and therefore feel better.

I'm envious because I look terrible without make up. On my day off I sometimes go make up free but would never turn up to work like it.