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How do you feel about women that don't wear make-up -thread 2

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flutterby1 · 20/02/2024 07:41

Just wondering what your true JUDGY thoughts are? I don't wear makeup often I'm in my mid forties. How am I perceived? Lazy? Frumpy? Not caring? Boring? Can't be bothered to make an effort for others ? Or self confident enough not to ' need' it, regardless of how attractive you view yourself ?

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Diamondcurtains · 20/02/2024 08:44

Urm I doubt I’d even notice! I wear make up sometimes but not every day and only if I’m leaving the house.

Crunchingleaf · 20/02/2024 08:45

Day to day I would say not wearing make up is the default. Some women never leave the house without it and some never ever wear it. I think the rest of us fall in between always wearing it and never wearing it.
Personally, I just don’t have the time to spend on it everyday. Most of my working career has been in places where I can’t wear it or would have to take it off in work to do certain tasks.
I would never go out for evening or attend a special occasion without make up though. That’s a me thing though.

In general I don’t pay much heed to the appearance of others.

BrioNotBiro · 20/02/2024 08:45

"If she looks average, depending on her mannerisms, voice tone and clothes I would wonder if she is a butch lesbian or religious or super feminist."

I'm laughing at this (as an ordinary woman who more often than not doesn't wear make up) wondering what other wild assumptions people make of me as I reveal my hideous naked visage to the world!😜

Frosty1000 · 20/02/2024 08:49

Absolutely no judgement here, why on earth should anyone care what someone does. I would think she has confidence to go against the social pressure of wearing some.

I rarely wear any nowadays seeing as I WFH and only do the school run and pop to Tesco's etc.

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 20/02/2024 08:49

Surely not wearing make up is totally normal? I wouldn’t judge or even notice to be honest
Same, I honestly could not care less and find it sad that others do seem to care so much, enough to do two threads on it as well!
As for the pp who's wanging on about "rough" accents, skin issues and butch lesbians..... 🙄🤣
Biscuit

AlisonDonut · 20/02/2024 08:50

CoffeeAddick · 20/02/2024 08:03

If I saw a woman over 40 without make up my thoughts on her will be coloured by the occasion (gym, hospital, wedding), the context in which I see her (recently bereaved, just woke up, recovering from surgery, walking the dog), how the rest of her appearance looks in terms of style and grooming. Her accent and voice as well, does she sound like a posh woman,a rough accent, an essex accent?

If she looks good I would wonder if she has no make up make up on, of if she works in skin and beauty so has access to all the best tech or if she is a rich woman having a day off (sports, tired, feeling down, letting skin 'breathe').

If she has skin issues that would look better with make up like pigmentation, dark circles, sallow skin (basically how I look without make up) then I would wonder if she is ill, depressed or doesn't know how to apply make up (because that's my situation) because I know she would look better with some and it doesn't even take much time or products. The only times I haven't bothered were when I was too sad or ill or both to bother with make up.

If she looks average, depending on her mannerisms, voice tone and clothes I would wonder if she is a butch lesbian or religious or super feminist.

We're all average love.

Does this really all go through your head every time you see a woman without make up on? Do you think you might be need some sort of therapy? Because honestly I don't think normal people [maybe average people] do this every day.

And it is 'Ultra' not 'Super' feminist. Get with the lingo grandma.

OceanicBoundlessness · 20/02/2024 08:59

I don't notice or care.

I generally don't wear makeup. Never foundation. If I do it's a bit of eyeshadow and mascara and some cheek stuff...blusher? My grandmother's generation used to call it rouge.

I'm mid 40s. I just think it reflects my personality. A bit slapdash, not much time.

Theraffarian · 20/02/2024 09:00

@CoffeeAddick Thank goodness I wear a little make up every time I leave the house , because I’m over 40 and have an mild Essex accent . ( not the towie type one in case you’ve never actually made it to Essex and think the 1.5 million people who live here all speak with the same Essex accent . )
But pray tell how my accent would effect your judgment of me if I stepped out of my door one day without a little eyeliner .

In answer to the original question, I don’t judge women for not wearing make up . My job means we are expected to look professional, and the majority do wear subtle make up , but I certainly don’t judge the lady who doesn’t, it’s just not her thing .

Wimpeyspread · 20/02/2024 09:05

CoffeeAddick · 20/02/2024 08:03

If I saw a woman over 40 without make up my thoughts on her will be coloured by the occasion (gym, hospital, wedding), the context in which I see her (recently bereaved, just woke up, recovering from surgery, walking the dog), how the rest of her appearance looks in terms of style and grooming. Her accent and voice as well, does she sound like a posh woman,a rough accent, an essex accent?

If she looks good I would wonder if she has no make up make up on, of if she works in skin and beauty so has access to all the best tech or if she is a rich woman having a day off (sports, tired, feeling down, letting skin 'breathe').

If she has skin issues that would look better with make up like pigmentation, dark circles, sallow skin (basically how I look without make up) then I would wonder if she is ill, depressed or doesn't know how to apply make up (because that's my situation) because I know she would look better with some and it doesn't even take much time or products. The only times I haven't bothered were when I was too sad or ill or both to bother with make up.

If she looks average, depending on her mannerisms, voice tone and clothes I would wonder if she is a butch lesbian or religious or super feminist.

Good grief, that’s a whole lot of judgement! Butch lesbian, or religious, or super feminist!? How about she’s ok with looking like herself and doesn’t see the point in painting on a mask? If people don’t like how I look, they’re not going to like me any better if I paint my face, are they?

MariaVT65 · 20/02/2024 09:08

I’m mid 30s with 2 young kids and as PP said, one of my issues is mainly that I prioritise other things with my little time.

However, i am lucky in that many women have been kind in complimenting me on apparently having decent skin and already super-long eye lashes.

I sometimes find concealer makes me feel better make me look less exhausted. But I also have what they call ‘hooded eyes’ (i think) so eyeshadow doesn’t even show unless my eyes are closed.

I hardly own any makeup but I do put a bit on for special occasions such as weddings.

My DH is so used to me without makeup that he thinks I look weird with it on.

I currently look like absolute shit and would love to feel better about myself, but even then, my priorities are losing weight, trying to prevent so much postpartum hair loss again, and finding some decent clothes that fit while I am so fat after my c section.

I also stopped dying my hair years ago, and now some greys are appearing, so I guess that may also start again before makeup.

In terms of your original question of what I think of others, I definitely ‘judge’ women who look like they are absolutely caked in makeup and look really fake. I think natural is better.

Howmanycatsistoomany · 20/02/2024 09:14

IME it's mostly the women who slap it on with a trowel who judge those of us who don't.

NonPlayerCharacter · 20/02/2024 09:16

Let's ask Joe Dolan.

elastamum · 20/02/2024 09:20

I rarely wear makeup. I am nearly 60 and honestly can't be bothered anymore. I don't care what people think. I look old, but I am slim and fit which is much more important at my age. Mind you, I have just been out clearing the drains in my stableyard this morning and can't imagine why I would get made up for that. I don't think the horses noticed.

winemonster · 20/02/2024 09:25

I wear make up, some might say a full face every single day for decades but it takes me less than 10 mins. It’s as normal as putting clothes on. I also wash blow dry and straighten my hair after shower every morning. I’m the least high maintenance person you can meet in terms of anything else, else except self grooming and cleanliness. Btw I’ve never had my nails done, eyelashes or lips. Just make up, hair and cleanliness will do me. I see mums on school run with no make up and you know what I don’t think anything. Live and let live 🤔

Ouchmyarse · 20/02/2024 09:29

CoffeeAddick · 20/02/2024 08:03

If I saw a woman over 40 without make up my thoughts on her will be coloured by the occasion (gym, hospital, wedding), the context in which I see her (recently bereaved, just woke up, recovering from surgery, walking the dog), how the rest of her appearance looks in terms of style and grooming. Her accent and voice as well, does she sound like a posh woman,a rough accent, an essex accent?

If she looks good I would wonder if she has no make up make up on, of if she works in skin and beauty so has access to all the best tech or if she is a rich woman having a day off (sports, tired, feeling down, letting skin 'breathe').

If she has skin issues that would look better with make up like pigmentation, dark circles, sallow skin (basically how I look without make up) then I would wonder if she is ill, depressed or doesn't know how to apply make up (because that's my situation) because I know she would look better with some and it doesn't even take much time or products. The only times I haven't bothered were when I was too sad or ill or both to bother with make up.

If she looks average, depending on her mannerisms, voice tone and clothes I would wonder if she is a butch lesbian or religious or super feminist.

Good lord.

I have horrendous dark circles - I am part Indian, it’s quite common in some parts of India, it’s mainly the shape of my face and how my eyes are set.

I don’t cover them up. They don’t bother me. I honestly have no thoughts on if other people think they look bad. It doesn’t make mean I’m depressed. Just because you would want to cover up, doesn’t mean other people would. We all care about different things. What’s a problem to you didn’t register to me.

I look like I’ve been dragged through a hedge backwards sometimes because appearance does not matter to me, it never has done. Not when I was very rich and not now that I have nothing.

I am not religious, a super feminist or a “butch lesbian”.

I am 44, very posh but due to shit life circumstances, I’ve ended up living on the edge of a council estate in a crap area, make up less, no less!

You’d probably would have had a hard time pigeon holing me based off my appearance, if it was now or 15 years ago when I was living in my massive country pile. I’ve always looked the same.

FiveShelties · 20/02/2024 09:29

CoffeeAddick · 20/02/2024 08:03

If I saw a woman over 40 without make up my thoughts on her will be coloured by the occasion (gym, hospital, wedding), the context in which I see her (recently bereaved, just woke up, recovering from surgery, walking the dog), how the rest of her appearance looks in terms of style and grooming. Her accent and voice as well, does she sound like a posh woman,a rough accent, an essex accent?

If she looks good I would wonder if she has no make up make up on, of if she works in skin and beauty so has access to all the best tech or if she is a rich woman having a day off (sports, tired, feeling down, letting skin 'breathe').

If she has skin issues that would look better with make up like pigmentation, dark circles, sallow skin (basically how I look without make up) then I would wonder if she is ill, depressed or doesn't know how to apply make up (because that's my situation) because I know she would look better with some and it doesn't even take much time or products. The only times I haven't bothered were when I was too sad or ill or both to bother with make up.

If she looks average, depending on her mannerisms, voice tone and clothes I would wonder if she is a butch lesbian or religious or super feminist.

How on earth do you manage if you meet four women without make up? All those judgments must be exhausting.🙄

EbonyRaven · 20/02/2024 09:31

flutterby1 · 20/02/2024 07:41

Just wondering what your true JUDGY thoughts are? I don't wear makeup often I'm in my mid forties. How am I perceived? Lazy? Frumpy? Not caring? Boring? Can't be bothered to make an effort for others ? Or self confident enough not to ' need' it, regardless of how attractive you view yourself ?

Does this really need another/follow up thread? Confused

I am pretty sure everyone said what they needed to say during the 1000 posts on the last one!

And yes I know I could have ignored it/scrolled past, but I'm entitled to my opinion. And that opinion is that it didn't need another thread.

Fizbosshoes · 20/02/2024 09:35

On a similar note, I didn't realise what assumptions people made about going out with wet hair until I joined MN (my own mum was quite judgy but she had never informed me!🤣)

My only thoughts of someone going out with wet hair are they've just had a shower/been swimming/to the gym and either havent had time ,or don't want to heat dry it. I had no idea others thought it meant you were lazy/depressed/had a chaotic homelife/going through a trauma etc! Blush

(Of course I still go out with wet hair sometimes, since I don't hear any of the judgey assumptions!)

flutterby1 · 20/02/2024 09:36

. @EbonyRaven jog on then

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HesterFields · 20/02/2024 09:40

Fuck me, not another thread full of patronising bollocks. Hiding this.

aliasname · 20/02/2024 09:48

CoffeeAddick · 20/02/2024 08:03

If I saw a woman over 40 without make up my thoughts on her will be coloured by the occasion (gym, hospital, wedding), the context in which I see her (recently bereaved, just woke up, recovering from surgery, walking the dog), how the rest of her appearance looks in terms of style and grooming. Her accent and voice as well, does she sound like a posh woman,a rough accent, an essex accent?

If she looks good I would wonder if she has no make up make up on, of if she works in skin and beauty so has access to all the best tech or if she is a rich woman having a day off (sports, tired, feeling down, letting skin 'breathe').

If she has skin issues that would look better with make up like pigmentation, dark circles, sallow skin (basically how I look without make up) then I would wonder if she is ill, depressed or doesn't know how to apply make up (because that's my situation) because I know she would look better with some and it doesn't even take much time or products. The only times I haven't bothered were when I was too sad or ill or both to bother with make up.

If she looks average, depending on her mannerisms, voice tone and clothes I would wonder if she is a butch lesbian or religious or super feminist.

Do you put the same effort into thinking about what men look like?

WhatATimeToBeAlive · 20/02/2024 09:50

I notice more if a woman wears a lot of make up rather than no make-up. I don't wear a lot - takes me 5 mins, if that - but younger women with contouring, fake eyelashes and orange faces will always be far more noticeable.

Ouchmyarse · 20/02/2024 09:51

aliasname · 20/02/2024 09:48

Do you put the same effort into thinking about what men look like?

I hope not, she’d never get a thing done, handwringing over everyone’s appearance, body language and actions.

Life sounds exhausting enough as it is trying to work out if every woman without lip liner is a depressed, butch lesbian from Essex.

SwordToFlamethrower · 20/02/2024 10:00

I always gasp in horror and cringe when i see women with a face full of make up. Even more so with lip fillers and false brows and lashes. It looks grotesque, they look like sex dolls. It makes me wonder what happened to them to have such a low self image and need to alter their faces so drastically.

I hate that so many women participate in it. No wonder girls want to become boys to escape it.

NonPlayerCharacter · 20/02/2024 10:07

SwordToFlamethrower · 20/02/2024 10:00

I always gasp in horror and cringe when i see women with a face full of make up. Even more so with lip fillers and false brows and lashes. It looks grotesque, they look like sex dolls. It makes me wonder what happened to them to have such a low self image and need to alter their faces so drastically.

I hate that so many women participate in it. No wonder girls want to become boys to escape it.

I always gasp in horror and cringe when i see women with a face full of make up.

You must really struggle with daily life!