What does your network think about trans people?

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Immediate family think it's all a bit silly, trans people should be treated well but you cannot change sex. Women's spaces should be protected etc.

But interestingly all of my university friends think trans women are women (did go to a London uni with well to do sorts).

I'm 31 btw.

Do they stay out of women's spaces?

Perhaps you have had the privilege where it hasn’t negatively impacted you? Or do you believe there are no conflicts where it negatively impacts women and girls?

They are also women, so why would they?

Of those replying, are you all in UK? I’m curious about current thought in Europe and further afield.

They are transwomen.

None of my friends have ever discussed it. As far as I know I’ve never met a trans person or shared a public loo but I probably wouldn’t realise.
Agree that you can’t change sex but you can assume the trappings of another gender but then that feeds into old fashioned gender stereotypes which don’t apply anymore.
No penises in changing rooms or safe spaces like women’s refuges, no trans women in female sports.
I am curious what happens to trans women who’ve had gender reassignment surgery, are they counted as safe to use female spaces ?
And how can this be policed ? If a trans woman passes as one, how can we stop them entering female only spaces ?

Ha 'non-issue'. Men being placed in women's prisons, rape crisis centres, inserting themselves into women's sports and taking their hard fought for spaces is a 'non-issue'.

Jesus fucking wept.

They are not natal women, no.

What makes them women? Their feelings?

Because they're not.

They're male. End of. The willy part kind of gives it away.

It's not their penis, that's for sure.

They are also women, so why would they?

Because men are not "also women."

Sometimes it's just the right to preform their job in the same way that most other people in the exact same role can.

I don't blame anyone at all for preferring or requesting single-sex services, it's completely understandable, but then I would also have sympathy for a transperson who just wanted to do their job, but was rejected by an individual for no other reason than they were trans.

Ways and means to pre-empt this of course, and obviously it's no different a scenario to a female employee/practitioner/whatever being rejected by a male customer, or a male rejected by a female, but I'd still empathise with a transperson who found themselves in that situation because they are facing humiliation having done absolutely nothing wrong.

Up to the employer/workplace to ensure this shouldn't happen, but if someone possesses a GRC and is legally male/female, it isn't always possible because you can't disclose beforehand to random customers that the person they are going to encounter is trans.

I think it's a scenario that most people, male or female, could just shrug off. Been there myself, been rejected because the person wanted exclusively males assisting them. It doesn't faze me at all, but I'd imagine in a scenario where it is abundantly clear you are being rejected for no other reason than being trans, it must be quite jarring.

yes they do. Both of them refer to themselves as "transwomen - not women"

They are also women, so why would they?

They obviously aren't. Why are you lying about it?

Genuine question.
What happens if the person has had gender reassignment surgery so have no
penis ?
How can it be policed ?
What happens to butch women who dress in a ‘masculine’ way and are mistaken for a poorly passing trans woman ?

And this is frequently asked.

A male with their penis and testicles removed is a male with their penis and testicles removed. What is the difference between a male who has had their penis and testes removed due to injury or disease and one who elects to have this extreme body modification? And think about it , what specifically is the difference?

Also, I wonder why trans identified males don’t ‘identify’ as middle-aged, menopausal women. It’s really odd…

I will follow up my post (having thought about it)..

Almost all the trans people I know are my age range, late thirties to mid forties or older.

All have decent jobs and most own their own homes and just want to get on with life, all transitioned as adults of over 20, all have been fully transitioned (as far as I know, I am not actually in the habit of asking my friends whats in their pants!) for over 10 years.

I have had friends who are no longer friends, not because they are trans but because their behaviour steadily became more unpleasant and ridiculous, particularly creating drama where none need exist and insisting anyone who misgendered, wrong pro-nouned or deadnamed them accidentally MUST be being malicious.

I'd safely say my friendship group will be trans til they die, and you would not notice them if you came across them in a crowd, in the loos, anywhere.

The others... you'd hear them before you saw them and yeet yourself in the other direction fast as possible! They are, in my opinion, the problem, and they would be the problem no matter what group, camp or clan they decided they were a part of! It is as if being trans gives them a green light to also be a total twat, where previously though the tendancy was there, it was reined in.

Do your trans friends know how you feel about women's spaces?

This, in spades.

I have zero problem with this.

well, it has never come up, because it has never been an issue so I have never had to say how I feel. They don't invade women's places. They don't refer to themselves as women. I say these are two transwomen in my immediate circles, but they don't actually know each other, I don't think. One is a colleague and one is the child of a close friend. Both are well aware that they will never be women. My friend has had these conversations with her child, no reason that I ever would have to as well

Grim. Really, really nasty stuff. Have a word with yourself.

but then I would also have sympathy for a transperson who just wanted to do their job, but was rejected by an individual for no other reason than they were trans
They'd be rejected because they're not the sex they purport to be, not because they're trans. Sex matters.