What does your network think about trans people?

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Immediate family think it's all a bit silly, trans people should be treated well but you cannot change sex. Women's spaces should be protected etc.

But interestingly all of my university friends think trans women are women (did go to a London uni with well to do sorts).

I'm 31 btw.

Using language like actual women and girls is transphobic

No. It. Isn't. It's ridiculous that anything that doesn't tie in with this ideology is labelled 'transphobic'. You can't change the meaning of words to suit yourself. It doesn't work like that.

Have you answered any of the trans women in sports and prison questions yet?

Biological reality is not transphobic. Tough. Learn to deal with it.

Using language like actual women and girls is transphobic

Nope. I don't pray at the alter of gender ideology. That's your entirely faith based minority view.

Most women want male free facilities.
The law allows for that to protect the majority. The feelings of some men are irrelevant.

Men's wants are the very nucleus of the discussion 🤣🤣🤣

Well, no, I'm going to point it out as transphobic when I see it online and if I hear it in real life.

Continue making a tit of yourself, then. You're fooling nobody.

Cutting ties with family, and former friends, happens with most cults.

Well diddums.

Please pray for my, actually female,
vagina soul.

I ask again - why do your responses have to be so hostile?

Why is it not possible for your side of the debate to keep the tone respectful? I really don't get it.

Blimey. You can’t point even point out the link you had problem with. Instead you have dismissed it with a ‘it was an article’ as if that explains anything.

Can you explain what the issues were with the article please?

Because anyone with any agenda can write an article...

People demanded that I provide peer-reviewed studies to evidence my claims, and yet the counter argument provides articles and even a daily mail link.

Come on.

They identify as women, so want to be allowed access to women's spaces

I'm sorry that hearing about surgery distressed you so much

Walk away next time

which part of female only space is confusing you? A male was in a female only space talking about their genitals

That edit thingy is good isn’t it

Did you read the peer reviewed studies that I did provide?

Did you also read the official statements from the health organisations?

Did you also read the Cass interim report?

Did you also read the article? I am assuming it is Stella O’Malley’s article discussing the issues with the Dutch Protocol? Do you know that Stella O’Malley is a child psychologist? What did you disagree with?

If you believe that sex ultimately doesn't matter along with the physical body, do you believe that adults (30, 40 year olds for example) can identify as say, a 16 year old?

THIS 100%

What they want is completely irrelevant.

You’ve not said anything worthy of respect, tbh.

I read the Cass interim report. Gender dysphoria care is a very new area, and an evidence base takes time to build.

What point are you making that the Cass report supports?

Genuine question: how do you know what ‘most’ women want? Nobody has asked me,
or my daughters, or any of my friends. How do you speak for us?

People are getting frustrated with you because you keep saying ridiculous things and avoiding difficult questions.

In addition, you are being very rude by calling people transphobic. Transphobia is not allowed on here. Posters are getting annoyed with your unjustified name-calling.

Now, can you answer one of my (respectful) questions?

If sex and gender are different (as you say) why on earth should those who believe their gender is ‘woman’ be allowed in single-sex women’s spaces?

No one, as far as I can see, is denying that trans women can have ‘woman’ as their ‘gender’. I mean, it’s annoying that they had to pick the word ‘woman’ as that is the term for, you know, women. But, genuinely, if playing with gender stereotypes and altering their bodies really does help them and make life easier- obviously go for it (assuming they’re over 18). They should absolutely be able to have whatever name they like and, of course, wear whatever they like and, if it helps, enact a sort of stereotype of womanhood.

If that’s what gender is, fine.

But even you can see that none of the above has any bearing on the person’s actual sex. You’ve said yourself that sex is different from gender. Sex is a part of objective reality. Gender is all that stuff I’ve mentioned above - it’s entirely socially constructed.

So, I repeat, why should trans men (a gender-based category) get to access things for women (a sex-based category)?

Fine, even if it is just one woman, why is her opinion less valid than that of one biological man?

You're willfully ignoring multiple explanations of my views.

I've already explained my opinion on 'what a woman' is.

I've already stated that no one can 'change sex', and how that is irrelevant (in my opinion) to whether someone has the gender identity of woman or not.

You can disagree with my views, but it seems disingenuous to then suggest I'm a 'troll playing a game'. I'm a real person with views that conflict with yours, that's all.

And yet again, we have the name-calling. So tiresome.