What does your network think about trans people?

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Immediate family think it's all a bit silly, trans people should be treated well but you cannot change sex. Women's spaces should be protected etc.

But interestingly all of my university friends think trans women are women (did go to a London uni with well to do sorts).

I'm 31 btw.

I can’t speak to the experience of trans people, or what they desire, because I’m not trans.

When they say that their gender identity isn’t aligned with their sex I believe them.

I believe trans women are women.

I honestly don’t care what a load of transphobic people tell me about their beliefs regarding womanhood, it has no relevance to me and, hopefully not so far in the future, no relevance to the broader trans experience either. I hope to see the day they feel safe and valued in society.

Probably best you don't speak on behalf of women either.

Funny how women’s experience of being a woman can apparently be overlooked and ignored in favour of a man’s opinion of what a woman is

Also it’s not transphobic to believe people cant change sex

Thanks for this yes agree

I hope to see the day they women feel safe and valued in society.

Happy to speak only for myself.

@StolenCookie
When they say that their gender identity isn’t aligned with their sex I believe them.

But what is it that you actually believe? The words you’ve used don’t mean anything real.

Gender is an abstract, a construct. The whole problem with this belief system is that no one can define gender.

So what is this thing you’re believing?

It really is peculiar; the gender movement has constructed a make-believe concept and used terms that already exist to deal with a very similar but crucially different phenomenon that is actually real.

It seems to me a bit like a group of people deciding, say, that they’re going to redefine day and night, but, when challenged by someone who can actually tell the time, they say “no, we’re not talking about your boring old clock-based definitions of time; when I say it’s night-time I mean my special pretend night-time.” But then they insist everyone goes along with their new made-up version anyway where you can say it’s any time you like, and use the terms ‘day’ and ‘night’ as if those terms don’t already have established meanings. Utter chaos.

Are there any boundaries?

Ie in prisons, rape centres or sports?

Can women have any single sex spaces or is it anything goes for any trans woman to access no matter their physical reality?

It’s not chaos. This thing I believe is what a trans person tells me about who they are. It’s really not more complicated than that for me.

My son will also grow up in a household where trans rights and experiences are valued. From my work in child mental health, I can see that non-binary people are becoming more outspoken about their identities and experiences. The tide has turned and it’s not going back. I hope by the time these children (and their children) are adults, beliefs like the vitriol expressed on Mumsnet are a relic.

What rights do trans people not have then?

But what does it mean to "believe" you are a woman? You cannot possibly support something that you can't even define or explain.

I believe trans women are women

So a biological man, who decides one day he is a woman, who does not socially transition, who does not embark on any hormone treatment or sex reassignment surgery, just stays exactly how he was prior to self IDing as a woman, you believe is literally a woman?

I can see that non-binary people are becoming more outspoken about their identities and experiences. The tide has turned and it’s not going back. I hope by the time these children (and their children) are adults,

The way the tide is going is that there is going to be a whole section of society that are infertile - they won't be having their own children.

On the flip side I hope you don’t override safeguarding for children

And safety, dignity and privacy for women and dc

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StolenCookie I'm curious why you keep using the phrase 'trans women are women.' If you truly believed that TWAW then you wouldn't actually need to even use the word 'trans', would you? Shouldn't you just be declaring 'Women are women'? Because what are they 'trans-ing' from exactly, if they're already women in your eyes? <head tilt>

Safety and dignity is all I want for everyone.

Not really as you’re dismissing what women are saying

Do you believe in affirmative care?

I am a woman. We can’t all agree obviously.

I'm supportive of trans people and not threatened by trans women, who I would happily call a woman. I'm threatened more by men, I don't believe trans women are out to jump out in toilets and attack me any more or less than anyone else. A man could do it easily but they don't, they just attack wherever they feel like. I do think there might be times and place where the rights of everyone need to be balanced but there is a lot of trans hatred and scaremongering which is abhorrent. There's never an excuse for hate.

Bleeding nora it’s like ground hog day. Trans women are men, there is no evidence at all that they are somehow safer than any other man

we keep ALL men out of women’s spaces because women are at risk of being attacked by men as well as for reasons for privacy & dignity. My husband is absolutely lovely & wouldn’t hurt a fly. Should he be allowed in women’s spaces? How about if he said he was a woman?

I believe trans women are women.

And ... you know that's not true.

So you're lying why? And for whose benefit?

I'm supportive of trans people and not threatened by trans women, who I would happily call a woman. I'm threatened more by men

The absence of logic here is mind blowing