AIBU To think that Labour is more against aspirations than the Conservatives?

[DistinguishedSocialCommenator]

Both of the above are ready to shaft the hard-working people who have not just worked hard, but spent/invested wisely rather than throw it way on lifestyles.

IMO, Labour is seriously anti those with some investments, EG, BTL, and people who own another property. People who have savings etc as these people decided not to blow away their money but be wise with it

Both, Labour and Tories don't give a flying F about those that own even a single property when it comes to care home charges. The new alliance is a con. So, if you don't own you home as about 45% of England does not, you are unlikely to be shafted unless you have large amount of savings for your rainy day/retirement etc

The extra tax on cars , ir road tax pay extra in their hundreds/thousands on cars costing more than 40k new RRP was set several years ago and not been adjusted for inflation - thanks to Tories

LL's getting hammered by new rules always favouring the T's - There are many good LL's as well as T's, so why penalise asperations?

We boguth a couple of properties to fund our retirement, erly retirement and went without hols/etc for many years and at times both of us worked 50 hours a week, 6/7 days a week. We also did not want to live of the state and pass money etc to our children/grandchildren to help them to a less stressful start thn us.

Though both Lab/Con are as bad as the other, if you've saved a few qquid, earn a decent amount of money and have more than one property, AIBU to think the Labour lot will shat us hard, seriously hard and waste money on foolish projects in order to secure votes for the next election if they win this election?

Thanks for giving me a laugh ….

Is this because the current Conservative government is doing such a great job in looking after people who have “worked hard and saved” ?

Rise in mortgage rates that have made things increasingly difficult for smaller landlords? Rise in the cost of utilities?

Of course you spout the usual right-wing rhetoric on your post … “hard workers get more” if you haven’t got more then you must be lazy or feckless as you have “blown it” (no recognition for those who didn’t have “it” in the first place)

The undeserving poor eh? Who weren’t “wise” but were thick (you do know that a huge amount of state benefit is paid out to people who are working really hard, but wages are shocking low)

Of course lots of people don’t own a house … the prices have gone up, part of this is because some people don’t own just one house, they own two or three.. so they can earn an income from renting .. by people stuck renting.. as house prices are high .. as people own two or three houses etc etc etc

You do realise that taxes are high right now ?

You were lucky to be born at a time where you could own a house, whilst working in an average paid job, those days have past … anything to redress the balance is good news !

The role of the government is to create the conditions for as many people as possible to have as decent a standard of living as possible. Sometimes individuals who have done well will need to give a little back so that others don't slide into poverty, because what is the alternative? I do think corporation tax should be higher and more should be done to ensure the likes of Amazon pay up a fair amount, but it isn't punishing aspiration to say that those who have done well need to pay a little back.

And, to be honest, your post is quite hard to read, but it seems you are saying the Tories have done lots you don't agree with and which you see as 'punishing aspiration', yet you have still concluded that Labour will be worse and will 'shat [you] hard' (shaft? typo for shit?). You are being unreasonable for that, definitely. Tories have been an absolute nightmare, for pretty much everyone other than the super rich.

Who do you think is going to pay for care home charges? Genuinely. The costs are eye watering. Of course we have to pay for it. We’ve got a house to sell and if it has to sold for care home charges then so be it.

I think the OP should vote Tory, they reflect her values perfectly. I’m sure tech bro Rishi will look after your interests.

As a hard working aspirational person, I remember being much better off under a Labour government than this current venal shower. Apart from anything else, after 13 years nothing really seems to work as it should anymore - GP appointments, dentist appointments, NHS waiting times, clean beaches, affordable housing, just the general fabric of society seems to have gone to shit. And child poverty has sky rocketed, which for me is unforgiveable.

As it happens i have a good job, lovely house, pension, plenty spare money. But if I can't access routine healthcare, my kids can't afford to pay their rent and I know there are children who are hungry and cold then that does not match any aspirations I have for my life.

As a hard working aspirational person, I remember being much better off under a Labour government than this current venal shower.

Absolutely agree!

Thank god the up and coming generation of voters will be voting against the tories in their droves.
A lot of them very hard workers with nothing like what previous generations had to look forward to.

Though both Lab/Con are as bad as the other, if you've saved a few qquid, earn a decent amount of money and have more than one property, AIBU to think the Labour lot will shat us hard, seriously hard and waste money on foolish projects in order to secure votes for the next election if they win this election?

So you’ve saved a few quid, own multiple properties and you think the state (ie tax payers) should fund any care needs you might have?

Quick, the tories have lost two by-elections, must push out the anti Labour bullshit.

Under almost every metric life is worse in the UK since the tories came to power.

Crime up
Nhs waiting lists up
National debt up

But some people will still push the narrative that it'd be worse under Labour.

I’ve rarely read a more selfish post.

I think you need a change of username @DistinguishedSocialCommenator

This reads like a GCSE debate position

Took the words right out of my mouth. Jesus wept. I thought these staggeringly ignorant views went out with the ark.

Besides which, the vast majority attempt to find a balance - neither sitting on their arses doing nothing all week, nor working 50 hour weeks just to save for a retirement when one of you could just as easily drop dead after decades of putting work and material possessions first. For what?

These threads always go the same way. Nothing that anyone posts will changes to OP's position - ever.

By election results sure have the Tories rattled 🤣

waste money on foolish projects the irony is off the scale!

I think you need to start looking outwards rather than inwards. Seeing the country as it is now instead of just thinking of yourself may help to open your eyes. Try some volunteering with the homeless or perhaps in a food bank, it could change your outlook on life.

Labour’s tenure in power was far more successful. Tories in government 14 years and the country is in a mess. How can they be as bad as each other ? I don’t get this mixed up thinking. It’s like blaming Labour for things they haven’t done yet but happy to give Rishi the benefit of the doubt even though everything is falling apart right now under him and his party.
I’m pretty sure Starmer won’t promise too much pre election because he’s well aware of the absolute state of the economy. I think he’ll be honest about what can be improved in a very limited space of time due to financial constraints. What we really need to ask is where has all the money gone ?

But if you worked so hard and sacrificed etc etc,to get these precious extra properties. Well done I guess. But that is your reward. You literally did kts what you worked for.

Fancy not only wanting the fruits of your labour but also wanting everyone else with less punished more for not being you

Labour is all about creating a future voter pool that will vote for them. Welfare dependent people. Everyone getting handouts, never earning enough to survive. That’s why they created a low wage, high welfare economy by creating tax credits after coming to power post 1997. Obviously this led to vast swathes of people ending up on working age benefits and that trend has continued. Not people expect free money for everything regardless of income. Energy bills, weekly shopping, travel, you name it. Labour is an absolute disaster for the economy, always has been.

But here’s the rub. This crop of Tories are bunch of incompetent corrupt bastards who have truly gone even further to left than left. Record high taxation, record borrowing, record money printing, record public spending. So there we have it. Our politicians and civil servants are completely and utterly shit. Like beyond disastrous.

hi OP it’s a conservative government at the moment and has been for a long long time. So it’s them to blame for this shit. Did you think we had a labour government?

You've summarised perfectly how I feel. In a likewise comfortable position financially, but with young children I fear for their future and the services they rely on/ will need in the coming years. Focusing everything on wealth and material possessions is a very limited, and limiting, view of the world.

I'm sure she will. She is probably a bit rattled by yesterday's election results though.

Oh dear , oh dear. Have a listen to the Mick Lynch interview on the News Agents podcast.

Our politics are western and liberal and we have utilise both capitalist and socialist approaches to do one basic thing. Improve our quality of living. We know capitalism drives improvements in standards of living faster but the cost is inequalities. Socialism redresses inequality but means slower improvements in standards of living. The issue with either is the quality of life that comes with standards of living.

Any decent politician of the left or right should want to improve the quality of our lives through improved standards of living and reduced inequality. They should be serious people who know this isn’t easy and that there is no quick fix that ignores economic and social realities. As an electorate we need to be smarter with our decisions, both in what we want and how much we are willing to do to achieve it. We are stuck between a hard left and right that scream demands but never say what they will do or sacrifice to achieve it.

Our current situation is dire. The right wing of the Conservative Party are insanely driven towards unfettered capitalism and they are in a death spiral of lies and deception to achieve this. They promise things no serious politician could deliver. They have used a small mandate to create one of the least talented and unserious governments for generations. To the point where the only explanation is that they are trying this hard to be so bad at government. Even the best of the government minsters are idiots with bugger all talent and literally every problem is an unforced error.

Labour at least seem to know they need to be serious and have shown they can shut down the “I want it and I want it now” demands for everything and anything. They aren’t proposing anything that would limit aspirations. They haven’t since the 1980’s anyway. And before that it was the labour movement that secured improvements in wages, housing and public services. Which our centuries old unfettered capitalism failed to deliver.

What right wing? What right policies have you seen enacted? Name one.