AIBU To think that Labour is more against aspirations than the Conservatives?

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Both of the above are ready to shaft the hard-working people who have not just worked hard, but spent/invested wisely rather than throw it way on lifestyles.

IMO, Labour is seriously anti those with some investments, EG, BTL, and people who own another property. People who have savings etc as these people decided not to blow away their money but be wise with it

Both, Labour and Tories don't give a flying F about those that own even a single property when it comes to care home charges. The new alliance is a con. So, if you don't own you home as about 45% of England does not, you are unlikely to be shafted unless you have large amount of savings for your rainy day/retirement etc

The extra tax on cars , ir road tax pay extra in their hundreds/thousands on cars costing more than 40k new RRP was set several years ago and not been adjusted for inflation - thanks to Tories

LL's getting hammered by new rules always favouring the T's - There are many good LL's as well as T's, so why penalise asperations?

We boguth a couple of properties to fund our retirement, erly retirement and went without hols/etc for many years and at times both of us worked 50 hours a week, 6/7 days a week. We also did not want to live of the state and pass money etc to our children/grandchildren to help them to a less stressful start thn us.

Though both Lab/Con are as bad as the other, if you've saved a few qquid, earn a decent amount of money and have more than one property, AIBU to think the Labour lot will shat us hard, seriously hard and waste money on foolish projects in order to secure votes for the next election if they win this election?

Stop moving the goal posts.

Provisions in both the police and crime act and public order act that severely curtail the right to protest and criminalise many previously legitimate forms of protest.

Changes in trades union legislation that have significantly increased the thresholds for strike action and introduction of a range of service requirements that attempt to undermine strike action in the public sector.

A range of economic policies that have entrenched and increased economic inequality moving wealth further into the hands of a small minority including austerity, tax reforms (such as freezing tax thresholds), privatisation of assets and services, a sustained reduced rate of corporation tax, changes to inheritance tax that only benefit the top few % of the population wealth wise (2015 reforms before you start). This has been a long term project since the Tories took office and has only varied in how much they seek to do the IEAs bidding undiluted.

All the of the above are clearly right wing policies enacted by the Tories that have impacted on the British people.

The stench of Tory desperation grows as they haemorrhage votes in all directions.

Hahahahahahaha.

@Alcyoneus nice goal post move there. Well done.

Voter ID. Because it specifically allows a greater number of forms of ID that older people are likely to have compared to forms younger people may have. Specific example: older person's rail card counts. Younger person's rail card does not. Absolutely blatant gerrymandering.

Restrictions on right to protest

Removal of legal aid

Misuse of prorogation

Attempt to overturn judicial verdicts on Rwanda

Draconian policies towards benefit claimants

Removal of support for victims of domestic violence including cuts to refuge provision

Two-child benefits policy

Anti-strike legislation

Removal of environmental protections

The list is longer than this, obviously.

It’s not possible OP to reply to your post properly in a way that I would like as I just simply do not have the time to do so.

Essentially you are a Tory voter. Others are not. I am a socialist and cannot imagine ever not being, a socialist. I believe in the redistribution of wealth for the greater good and about looking after the vulnerable. I believe in society and community. Not each for their own. You do not espouse those values OP. This is a democracy and you have a right to your opinion. But it’s reductive to try to distill all you think about your capitalist views into one post and seek approval for them.

I am a high(ish) earner in a profession. I do not begrudge a penny of the tax I pay.

'Aspiration' never really seems to mean that when people talk about it in this context.

I let the house that I bought for and lived in myself as I had to move elsewhere for a while and was an LL for 8 years and to be honest, being a LL is not 'hard work'. It's easy money unless you have a whole portfolio and are doing all yourself. And I was a responsive LL who intervened ASAP to solve any issues, because I really didn't want to be a shitty landlord. But even then I can't say it was a lot of work for the return I got.

Many people in this country, myself included - could afford to contribute more and still house, clothe and feed our families. Taxing us more would not be being 'anti-aspirational' - we've been fortunate and we should give back.

But now millions of people are struggling to keep their heads above water even while employed in multiple jobs which is not only awful and stressful for them, but terrible for the economy because they can't participate economically. It doesn't make economic sense for so many people to be impoverished. We don't need more milllionaires and billionaires - we need millions more people who can afford to contribute more to the economy rather than just about surviving.

What a load of old twaddle OP. Carry on voting conservative and much good may it do you. Ps read your posts before submitting as a fair amount of it made as much sense as conservative policy.

@Dotjones why should anyone be helping the ultra rich FFS?! They don’t need any help 🙄

@Echobelly totally agree - would happily contribute more in taxation, as should all those earning a good salary.

Partly because it also buys into a safety net that protects my loved ones should they fall on hard times 🥰

OP, I don't support the Labour party and will never vote for them, but on the other hand, who, in their right mind spends more than £40k on a private car?

I understand farms need four wheel drives but that's part of a business, producing food and can be offset against profits. Otherwise it's environmentally unsound, self indulgent and wasteful in a world where we all need to consume less. No sympathy on that count.

And as for care home fees. if you need care and can pay for it, of course you should pay for it yourself. The alternative involves your children getting a handout that other children don't get. How is that fair?

I've worked since I was 13 (now 60). I own a house, I may be hit with the same care home fees, but I've raised my ds to have a strong work ethic, a good education and he is more than capable of building his own life. You can set up a pension or an ISA for your dc now if you want to provide a little extra.

So no, I don't think those issues are unfair.

I doubt Labour will do any better job than the Tories, but I don't share your sense of outrage or entitlement. We all knew covid would need to be paid for. We all know Putin's war mongering affects the price of food & gas. This was always going to be an expensive decade.

I can't think which side I detest the most. I'm sure that I don't need to explain the shitshow in the blue corner to anyone in the UK. In the red corner however we in Wales have our own shitshow who have decided that they'd rather spend £20m/year on some extra politicians than distribute it to the stretched local councils, my one is having to cut school budgets.

Around 3 in 10 children (4.2 million children across the UK) live in poverty, but what about VAT on private education

"LL's getting hammered by new rules always favouring the T's - There are many good LL's as well as T's, so why penalise asperations?"

What about the aspirations of young people to own homes, which is made rather more difficult by BTL landlords hoovering up starter homes?

IMO the increase in BTL landlordism has been a scourge on society and been a major factor in intergenerational unfairness. The government know this, hence making it less attractive for investment by individual landlords.

Ah yes the Conservative party, who gave us austerity, treble the nation debt, zero growth, the highest tax burden in 70 years and have presided over a return to almost Victorian levels of inequality, are definitely pro-aspiration!

Tory HQ really need to invest in some better content creators as the quality of the daily 'let's bash Labour' threads are really poor these days.

You have listed out so many privileges you have had that younger generations don't. You have benefitted from wildly overinflated house prices, you have enough wealth because of that to pass onto your children, and you will be able to pass on most of your estate to children tax free. You will claim pension much earlier than younger generations, the pension age for my age group is now 71!

You are not suffering because of interest rate rises or continuing steep rises in property costs, so please can you explain, how are you getting shafted?

We all have to pay tax, to support others more in need than ourselves (predominantly pensioners these days) you are no different, you have to pay your fair share.

This. I wish there was another party, politically central with a focus on green energy, innovation, weaning the public off state dependency and with a view to improving the health and education of the public. They’d get my vote.

I work hard, in a badly paid and necessary public sector role. I own one home, which I live in, and it's unlikely I will ever own a second, partly because people like you are hoarding more property than you need (also because I have too much self respect to attempt to get rich off of other people's misfortune).

You think I should be paying your care home fees so that your offspring can get an extra leg up? Do you understand that if your own assets aren't used to pay for your care (after you no longer need them!), younger working people will be paying?

This this and again this!

I really, really, really want child poverty to end, and I mean that sincerely, but I’m at a loss as to how to do it - I’m not sure handing cash to the parents will solve it, does anyone have any other ideas where we can ensure the money will be spent responsibly on the children and creating the right environment for them?

If you've managed to earn enough to buy multiple properties without needing to learn how to spell, construct a sentence, or indeed a coherent point, then I think you've done really well.

Pahahahaha sorry I shouldn’t laugh but

Not sure what your question is? I said the right wing want policies and change that are undeliverable. Either politically, legally or practically. Like the Rwanda policy, tax cuts and even brexit.

lets take healthcare. There is zero argument about the need to improve integration within healthcare and between health and social care. And to invest in prevention and health management rather than treatment. The Langsley reforms broke up the NHS and have led to increased costs and longer waits for treatment, even before covid. Meaning people now can’t get to see a GP to secure primary care support to prevent health deterioration and are placed on waiting lists for treatment that could have been prevented. Hell if their intention was to break up the NHS to make it easy for private providers they even fucked that up.

Immigration policy was let’s create a hostile environment to deter immigrants. Then we can get rid of the processing capability. Now we have no processing capacity and unprecedented levels of immigration and no option but to through billions are housing and feeding people in the backlog who can’t even work.

@Naptrappedmummy education, education, education.

Teaching under a Labour government in the early 2000s was an absolute joy. That’s where the investment is needed.

@littlegrebe couldn’t agree more! “But my inheritance!” Boo fucking hoo.

I agree but how does educating the pupils prevent them being starved and neglected, here and now?