AIBU To think that Labour is more against aspirations than the Conservatives?

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Both of the above are ready to shaft the hard-working people who have not just worked hard, but spent/invested wisely rather than throw it way on lifestyles.

IMO, Labour is seriously anti those with some investments, EG, BTL, and people who own another property. People who have savings etc as these people decided not to blow away their money but be wise with it

Both, Labour and Tories don't give a flying F about those that own even a single property when it comes to care home charges. The new alliance is a con. So, if you don't own you home as about 45% of England does not, you are unlikely to be shafted unless you have large amount of savings for your rainy day/retirement etc

The extra tax on cars , ir road tax pay extra in their hundreds/thousands on cars costing more than 40k new RRP was set several years ago and not been adjusted for inflation - thanks to Tories

LL's getting hammered by new rules always favouring the T's - There are many good LL's as well as T's, so why penalise asperations?

We boguth a couple of properties to fund our retirement, erly retirement and went without hols/etc for many years and at times both of us worked 50 hours a week, 6/7 days a week. We also did not want to live of the state and pass money etc to our children/grandchildren to help them to a less stressful start thn us.

Though both Lab/Con are as bad as the other, if you've saved a few qquid, earn a decent amount of money and have more than one property, AIBU to think the Labour lot will shat us hard, seriously hard and waste money on foolish projects in order to secure votes for the next election if they win this election?

The Joseph Rowntree Foundation's missions

a social security sysem that ensures everyone can afford essentials
secure, affordable and decent housing
affordable childcare
secure and well paid work that fits around family life

https://www.jrf.org.uk/child-poverty

Is that the best you came up with. Voter ID? Yes because that’s the major right wing policy that’s landed the country in trouble. Righto

OP, you seem to be confused.

It is not aspiration or hard work that the Labour government will be taxing. It is income and/or wealth. There is a massive difference, whether you are capable of understanding this or not.

I certainly hope that the Labour Party will take more tax from those of us who are better off... myself included. That would help us move towards a fairer society.

There are many very hardworking people with incredible aspirations for their communities, but they will never earn very much because they have chosen to do something that benefits society as a whole and not just themselves.

I’ll read it. I suppose I just know a lot of people who spend their money on anything but their kids

You really need to look up what right wind economic policy is. Record high taxation and government spending ain’t it.

It's much easier to be aspirational and hardworking with functioning services and infrastructure. When you have huge waiting lists for minor medical treatment that then turns into a huge problem, non functioning local services because they are so run down, or you either can't work or leave yourself in debt because you are paying through the nose for childcare it is much mire difficukt to think about saving. If you don't have a stake in society because the chances of you saving enough money for a deposit are fantastical, or you can't even contemplate starting a family because you are renting in insecure accommodation, why should you even bother aspiring to anything long term? Great that you have a second home. Many young people will never, no matter how hard they study or work, be able to raise the upwards of £20k needed for a 10% deposit on a first home.

I live in the Wellingborough and Rushden constituency, we have gone from a massive Conservative majority to a Labour one today.

Our Tory ex MP Peter Bone’s girlfriend Helen Harrison stood as conservative candidate and did no real campaigning. It basically consisted of negative comments about Gen Kitchen and jumping on a campaign to save local trees which the Tory’s had ignored all last year. I’m surprised she came second but imagine that was Tory stalwart’s votes.
Reform UK actually did a sterling publicity job. Even if you disagree with them, they were out and about in force.

Labour’s Gen Kitchen did a great job as well. She won because she was in the constituency the whole time asking people what they wanted and visiting lots of community projects. Obviously she has to prove herself now.
Lib Dem’s and Green’s made no impact at all. No social media, flyers or postal literature. I didn’t see them out anywhere. I do wonder if this was a deliberate tactical move to bolster Labour support and leave the right votes split between Reform and Tory.

Yeah so right wing. So very right wing that we have record taxation and government spending to pay for all these right wing policies. Oh dear.

Maybe that skews your views then.

I’m 54, had a mortgage since I was 24 and the only thing I know is that I have always been better off under a Labour government. Also have always seen social improvements under Labour.

Straining all your muscles to argue that a corrupt, incompetent pseudo socialist government is right wing doesn’t make them right wing. The Tories are more labour than labour. Which is why we are in this mess. In fact Labour are trying to occupy the centre right when it comes to economic policy, unfortunately they are too thick to pull it off in reality.

I would just like streets that are safe, spending on children not old people who have enough already, a functioning railway, a health service and someone to clean the whole place up.

I know this is possible because I have seen and lived in such a place. Not this dump where slowly everything is being given over to the old and very rich. It's like we've given up on the future.

All the ones that cause pain to the poor, there's nothing a Tory likes more is there!

Loving your unabridged version of Alcyoneus does political history so accurate and insightful.

How about having centres in every community that provide integrated care and services for young children and their families, with a particular focus on closing the achievement gap for children from disadvantaged backgrounds? Would you approve of that @Naptrappedmummy?

What would it actually do? What does integrated care mean in this instance?

Well, one of the things it could achieve is reduce the numbers of people taken to hospital and save millions of pounds for the NHS. Offering high levels of service in poor neighbourhoods , visits to hospital to treat injuries could fall among all children of primary school age and by a third of all 11-year-olds. Access to the programme could cut the probability of admission to hospital in the poorest 30% of areas by 19% at the age of 11. The programme's effect could be equivalent to annually averting 5,500 hospitalisations of 11-year-olds.

That's all good, isn't it?

Brilliant IClaudine, maybe Lord Cameron could campaign for that, it could be called Sure Start, oh, hang on . . .

@Alcyoneus so basically 'right wing' means what you think it means and you're not going to provide a definition. Got it. Wow, those goal posts can really move when they want to!

@IClaudine - spending on children is the definition of aspiration to me. I am so fed up of this grasping gerontocracy attitude which the OP is a textbook example of.

Totally.. Every single child should be nurtured as far as possible. I don't care if the child has "feckless parents" who have "children they can't afford". It is so short sighted not to do so. Like building a house but not bothering to put a roof on because it might cost a bit of money.

ETA, although "gerontocracy" is unfair. There are plenty of younger posters who don't care if the children of the poor suffer and plenty of older posters (me!) who do care.

This is how I feel too. Fucked every which way.

I need to check my spelling. I am fed up of older generations who had higher levels of state spending over their lifetime effectively voting against spending for housing, schooling, provision for the vulnerable. But then, what about their care fees?

Honestly.

You don't know what gerrymandering means do you?

It was no different! We just got a few decent pay rises.

Wins post of the year.