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AIBU to ask parents to condition their sons this way?

109 replies

TiredGatekeeper · 15/02/2024 08:38

There is a situation in my marriage that has been going on for years and I am sick of it. However, before I go into that, I want to explain what I see as the best case scenario.

I have brothers. They are both married to nice women. One lives close to my parents, the other a few hours away. Both of my brothers go out with my parents, pop in on their way somewhere or back, arrange to go out with my dad to the footy, go round for a cup of tea etc. ON THEIR OWN. Sometimes they bring their wife, or wife and DC, but a lot of the time they go round to my parents on their own. FYI they are not neglecting their families. They are "popping in" for a bit, or spending an hour with them if their wife is off doing something. Also, my grown up nieces and nephews do this. They call up, then pop in. My SIL's are very nice, and very welcome when they come over. They are family and we love them.

My DH does none of this. It is as if I am the gatekeeper. Everything seems to have to be run by me. An example is we have been invited to something, I can't go, so he said "we can't go as TiredG is busy". Why can't he go on his own?
He never pops in, goes round on his own, has an independent relationship with his blood family. I am certainly not a control freak, I want him to go. Why can't I see them sometimes, and the rest of the time he goes and has a cup of tea, goes down to Homebase with his dad and other stuff?

As a result there is animosity between PIL and me. They think I block them. I don't. My DH just doesn't want to go there alone. I can see that a lot of it is that his mum and dad are difficult. I know I have a DH problem, but he has also been conditioned this way. When he got married his mum basically wrote off having a son, even though it turns out DH and I do way more for them than their DD's. My FIL wouldn't be allowed out without MIL at his side, so I also think my DH has been conditioned that your wife controls your movements and you don't do anything without her say so. My MIL thinks it is all my fault, and I am quote: "the one wearing the trousers" but that really isn't true according to my own family and friends, who say he clearly does. I think it is their fault, for not investing enough time and effort and having a good relationship with their son.

So, I'd like to ask mums (and dads) to instil in their sons that just because they have met someone, doesn't mean they lose all autonomy over their familial relationships, and it is OK, and in fact healthy to still go hang out with your parents and siblings ON YOUR OWN.

Women do this all the time. It is not controlling, or manipulative, or you are not a MIL from hell if your adult son comes over and chills on your sofa for an hour with a cup of tea and goes and opens the fridge and gazes a bit. In fact, it is healthy.

OP posts:
Perfectlove · 15/02/2024 08:40

Agree 100%.

SquirrelsStars · 15/02/2024 08:41

Well it's your husband so maybe you should sort it out, rather than blaming his and everyone else's parents...

Seeline · 15/02/2024 08:44

Maybe he just doesn't like his parents very much. Especially if his mum is so bossy.
I don't think it has anything to do with 'conditioning'.

SecondUsername4me · 15/02/2024 08:44

I'd be telling dh to explain things to his folks so they get off your back. He doesn't want to visit alone, and so because he demands you go with him, the visits are infrequent as you have your own commitments as well. I'd reinforce this with MIL/FIL if they directly comment to you about it

"Dh doesn't need my permission to spend time with you, but for some reason he likes me to come along, so obviously he can't visit as much as he has to fit in around everyone's plans then. Please, I'm trying to get him to visit without me as he can come to you more!"

Xiaoxiong · 15/02/2024 08:44

If you pull DH up on it and say "why are you blaming me here, you can go round on your own without me" what does he say?

Or if you say "you are causing bad blood between your parents and me because they think I am blocking you going round, which I absolutely am not and you need to cut it out blaming me for this"

SgtJuneAckland · 15/02/2024 08:47

DH doesn't pop in to see his parents often because they live an hour and 40 minutes away, he does sometimes take ds to visit overnight leaving be with blissful time to myself, I am also happy to go because they are lovely. He does frequently videocall them. I got home from work last night and he and ds were on a call to MIL. He wasn't really like this before we had DC, he'd go months without seeing them, but I think begging s parent opened his eyes to the importance of maintaining those relationships . This is your DH not his parents

WandaWonder · 15/02/2024 08:47

So you have a partner problem, the expression seems overused but fitting

Girasoli · 15/02/2024 08:48

How is your DHs relationship with his parents? They might just not be that close.

DBro regularly pops to my parents house with or without his partner, and DH will also visit his parents after work by himself (he commutes to work
in the city where his parents love)

Mashedorboiled · 15/02/2024 08:49

So, I'd like to ask mums (and dads) to instil in their sons that just because they have met someone, doesn't mean they lose all autonomy over their familial relationships

Very few people are 'conditioning' their sons otherwise? Why would they??
Your husband's attitude sounds very odd.

Changeusernameseeusernamehistory · 15/02/2024 08:50

SquirrelsStars · 15/02/2024 08:41

Well it's your husband so maybe you should sort it out, rather than blaming his and everyone else's parents...

Proving the OP’s point …

TiredGatekeeper · 15/02/2024 08:53

Perhaps I should change condition to encourage.

DH has an OK relationship with his parents. His mother is very controlling to the point his dad isn't allowed to pick out his own clothes to wear.

I do have a DH problem, but I think his parents haven't encouraged a good relationship with him. They massively favour his sisters.

I do think though that our sons do not have as good, or free and easy a relationship with their parents as daughters do. I want to change this. I think my brothers have a very good relationship with my parents and I want this for my own sons.

OP posts:
Aecor · 15/02/2024 08:55

TiredGatekeeper · 15/02/2024 08:53

Perhaps I should change condition to encourage.

DH has an OK relationship with his parents. His mother is very controlling to the point his dad isn't allowed to pick out his own clothes to wear.

I do have a DH problem, but I think his parents haven't encouraged a good relationship with him. They massively favour his sisters.

I do think though that our sons do not have as good, or free and easy a relationship with their parents as daughters do. I want to change this. I think my brothers have a very good relationship with my parents and I want this for my own sons.

Don’t you think it might have something to do with the individuals in question?

SquirrelsStars · 15/02/2024 08:56

It's not about being a son or daughter. It's about your dh not wanting to go over more than he has to - and you've given some examples of why that might be.

Tatonka · 15/02/2024 08:59

Agree. Generally though don't people tend to visit family with their partners assuming everyone gets along? My DH feels sad if I visit my parents alone as he really loves them. For me visiting on my own or with my DH isn't any different

user146990847101 · 15/02/2024 09:01

”they massively favour his sisters”
There you go then! Same here with DH, his siblings have to be cosseted and fussed over, he got fed up with being the capable one that didn’t get help, either financially or with time, advice, anything really!

So now, when he wants a handy excuse not to get involved me or the kids are often the excuse. It is what it is - not my circus!

TheLambtonWorm · 15/02/2024 09:06

Your husband doesn't visit because his parents don't sound like particularly nice people. What you mean is "Can only well rounded, mentally healthy people procreate and raise the same well rounded children?" which is stupid.

Seeline · 15/02/2024 09:08

So his mum is massively controlling
And his parents (mum?) strongly favoured his sisters.

Hmmm ... I wonder why uses every excuse he can to limit contact?

SomethingDifferentt · 15/02/2024 09:10

How is your DHs relationship with his parents? They might just not be that close

This. All relationships are not equal.

Dh is similar to ops husband. When we see his mum, it's all of us. Or at least him and dc. He will do errands for his mum when requested, alone, but doesn't 'visit' her alone, ever. For years and years.

It's not because he's an arsehole or lazy or because he's been 'conditioned'.

It's actually because he's a nice guy. He knows his mum is lonely and in poor health. He knows he 'should' (societally) have a relationship with his mum, and allow his dc to have this. But he doesn't want to, for too many reasons to list. I could probably write a book about how dysfunctional dh's upbringing was, and how damaged his relationship with his mum was due solely to her actions. He left home at 15 after being calmly told he was old enough to look after himself now.

He's not close to his mum with good reason. If it wasn't for the existence of the dc he probably wouldn't see her ever - maybe a duty visit every year. As it is, we see her probably every other month and I'm well aware that dc and I are dh's protective blanket for such visits. Once I understood this I'm happy to be it tbh.

Just for clarity - we're not talking about abuse here because if that was the case I obviously wouldn't allow dc to visit. But there are a whole truckload of poor, miserable childhood experiences that fall short of abuse yet mean your dc are not going to be volunteering to pop round for lunch in adulthood...even when on the surface they've put things behind them.

35965a · 15/02/2024 09:11

Not everyone has the same relationship with their family. Your DH felt his sisters were favoured and therefore isn’t that arsed about seeing his parents. Yeah, they blame you and he lets them because it’s easier than having that conversation with them directly. Not everyone can or does get on. In your PILs case it’s ’you reap what you sow.’

KnittingKnewbie · 15/02/2024 09:14

I (F) do not like visiting my mother without my DH because I don't like spending time with her and I need someone to break the ice (not quite the expression I'm looking for). That's not my DH's fault, it's my DM's

CanaryCanary · 15/02/2024 09:18

This sounds like quite a weird specific family dynamic, I’m not sure it’s a general problem with men? All the husbands I know spend time independently with their parents and siblings.

TonTonMacoute · 15/02/2024 09:21

Mashedorboiled · 15/02/2024 08:49

So, I'd like to ask mums (and dads) to instil in their sons that just because they have met someone, doesn't mean they lose all autonomy over their familial relationships

Very few people are 'conditioning' their sons otherwise? Why would they??
Your husband's attitude sounds very odd.

This.

I would have thought people would be more worried about possibly losing contact with a son when he gets married.

You've just married into a strange family!

user146990847101 · 15/02/2024 09:25

SomethingDifferentt · 15/02/2024 09:10

How is your DHs relationship with his parents? They might just not be that close

This. All relationships are not equal.

Dh is similar to ops husband. When we see his mum, it's all of us. Or at least him and dc. He will do errands for his mum when requested, alone, but doesn't 'visit' her alone, ever. For years and years.

It's not because he's an arsehole or lazy or because he's been 'conditioned'.

It's actually because he's a nice guy. He knows his mum is lonely and in poor health. He knows he 'should' (societally) have a relationship with his mum, and allow his dc to have this. But he doesn't want to, for too many reasons to list. I could probably write a book about how dysfunctional dh's upbringing was, and how damaged his relationship with his mum was due solely to her actions. He left home at 15 after being calmly told he was old enough to look after himself now.

He's not close to his mum with good reason. If it wasn't for the existence of the dc he probably wouldn't see her ever - maybe a duty visit every year. As it is, we see her probably every other month and I'm well aware that dc and I are dh's protective blanket for such visits. Once I understood this I'm happy to be it tbh.

Just for clarity - we're not talking about abuse here because if that was the case I obviously wouldn't allow dc to visit. But there are a whole truckload of poor, miserable childhood experiences that fall short of abuse yet mean your dc are not going to be volunteering to pop round for lunch in adulthood...even when on the surface they've put things behind them.

You’ve described our situation much more eloquently than I did - this is exactly how it is for us.
We’ve been together since late teens, and are now 50ish…when we were young I used to instigate dinners, christmases, and general hanging out with his family partly because I have little family of my own. But once we had our own kids at 30ish, I think I finally saw how they treated him and our children who were also second to his siblings children. DH was frankly thrilled to step back as he’d only been going along with it to please me.
MIL is now 80 and I’m sure siblings have a moan about how little we help out but tough!
It’s a good lesson in treating your children equally and fairly.

MightyGoldBear · 15/02/2024 09:36

I'd step down being the gate keeper leave all planning and communication down to your oh. If he doesn't see them he doesn't. It's not your job to facilitate their relationships or your ohs.

Concentrate on your relationships with your children. Being healthy parents who can listen take on board others views and wants for their lives. Is the way to go to ensure they want to actually spend time with you when they grow up.

My husband has recently stopped seeing his parents as much he felt obliged previously but never enjoyed it. They are controlling stuck in their ways can't listen. It's easier for them to blame me as the outsider daughter in law than it is to check their own behaviour.

BingoMarieHeeler · 15/02/2024 09:37

YABU to ask anyone to do anything in this sense. Hate that tone! But YANBU regarding the issue.