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AIBU to ask parents to condition their sons this way?

109 replies

TiredGatekeeper · 15/02/2024 08:38

There is a situation in my marriage that has been going on for years and I am sick of it. However, before I go into that, I want to explain what I see as the best case scenario.

I have brothers. They are both married to nice women. One lives close to my parents, the other a few hours away. Both of my brothers go out with my parents, pop in on their way somewhere or back, arrange to go out with my dad to the footy, go round for a cup of tea etc. ON THEIR OWN. Sometimes they bring their wife, or wife and DC, but a lot of the time they go round to my parents on their own. FYI they are not neglecting their families. They are "popping in" for a bit, or spending an hour with them if their wife is off doing something. Also, my grown up nieces and nephews do this. They call up, then pop in. My SIL's are very nice, and very welcome when they come over. They are family and we love them.

My DH does none of this. It is as if I am the gatekeeper. Everything seems to have to be run by me. An example is we have been invited to something, I can't go, so he said "we can't go as TiredG is busy". Why can't he go on his own?
He never pops in, goes round on his own, has an independent relationship with his blood family. I am certainly not a control freak, I want him to go. Why can't I see them sometimes, and the rest of the time he goes and has a cup of tea, goes down to Homebase with his dad and other stuff?

As a result there is animosity between PIL and me. They think I block them. I don't. My DH just doesn't want to go there alone. I can see that a lot of it is that his mum and dad are difficult. I know I have a DH problem, but he has also been conditioned this way. When he got married his mum basically wrote off having a son, even though it turns out DH and I do way more for them than their DD's. My FIL wouldn't be allowed out without MIL at his side, so I also think my DH has been conditioned that your wife controls your movements and you don't do anything without her say so. My MIL thinks it is all my fault, and I am quote: "the one wearing the trousers" but that really isn't true according to my own family and friends, who say he clearly does. I think it is their fault, for not investing enough time and effort and having a good relationship with their son.

So, I'd like to ask mums (and dads) to instil in their sons that just because they have met someone, doesn't mean they lose all autonomy over their familial relationships, and it is OK, and in fact healthy to still go hang out with your parents and siblings ON YOUR OWN.

Women do this all the time. It is not controlling, or manipulative, or you are not a MIL from hell if your adult son comes over and chills on your sofa for an hour with a cup of tea and goes and opens the fridge and gazes a bit. In fact, it is healthy.

OP posts:
PlantDoctor · 16/02/2024 18:39

Wish DH would do that. I have to sort everything with his Mum, who's on her own and could use a lot more human interaction. His and I presume your DH's parents have brought it on themselves in a way, by not modelling good relationships with grandparents when they were younger

Pigglyplaystruant99 · 16/02/2024 18:54

I don't understand why you would think that just because your family act in a certain way, he has to do the same. Most bizarre.

saffy2 · 16/02/2024 19:10

My partner is similar and it also drives me mad. He doesn’t even speak to his mum generally day to day, and often I have to even facilitate a conversation. I don’t particularly get on with her, so I don’t really want all that much contact with her and still he doesn’t go round there/pop in/call her etc unless there is a reason. It drives me mad. Utterly mad.

Coachvikki · 16/02/2024 19:13

SquirrelsStars · 15/02/2024 08:41

Well it's your husband so maybe you should sort it out, rather than blaming his and everyone else's parents...

😂Why is it her job to fix her husband? She didn't raise him.

Lemonademoney · 16/02/2024 19:15

Sorry you want me to ‘condition’ my sons? Wow… or, here’s a thought, I could raise my children to be decent people regardless of gender… to respect their relationships in a way that is emotionally healthy. My Dh is very close to his family, in fact much closer than I am to mine, despite the fact I am a daughter 😱. There are so many factors potentially at play, please don’t blame gender…

LoveAHamSandwhich · 16/02/2024 19:15

Yet another aspect of men's behaviour that women are apparently supposed to be responsible for 🙄

Mumtryingtolivethedream · 16/02/2024 19:17

It depends on the individuals.
I love my parents and live quite near but they are an absolute nightmare to be around for various reasons so I don't visit as much as I would if they were nice to be around.

NewmummyJ · 16/02/2024 19:19

If they're difficult parents, maybe DH just prefers to a avoid them, and uses you as an excuse to get out if it. Meanwhile, perhaps your parents are pleasant to be around, so no brainer that your brothers want to pop by and spend some time with them...

PeloMom · 16/02/2024 19:22

I don’t think parents can force their grown up kids to do that. I don’t enjoy hanging out w my extended family and there’s nothing they can do to make me. So I prefer when I go, to go w my DH- at least there’s one person I like hanging out with there. Has it occurred to you that not everybody has a family they like and not everybody’s extended family is like yours?

FirstTimeMum887 · 16/02/2024 19:26

You have a DH problem. I'd be pretty fucking furious if my DH told my in laws he cannot go over because I am busy and therefore blaming me. Like that's seriously not ok.

Blaming parents everywhere is not your solution.

BronwenTheBrave · 16/02/2024 19:37

Yes, important to condition men from birth.
I believe there are various training regimes that can be adopted. At worst, a stick or carrot approach can be used. Those that can’t be conditioned will face a difficult future.

LauderSyme · 16/02/2024 19:38

AhNowTed · 15/02/2024 13:22

Once you're a grown adult, it's time to stop blaming your upbringing for your actions.

Often much easier said than done. It takes a lot of insight and emotional work to move beyond the templates set in childhood by one's caregivers. It is more than many people can manage.

You sound like someone who either had an entirely unproblematic childhood and can't imagine anyone else's being otherwise, or someone who is emotionally shut down and in denial.

MumblesParty · 16/02/2024 20:33

LoveAHamSandwhich · 16/02/2024 19:15

Yet another aspect of men's behaviour that women are apparently supposed to be responsible for 🙄

Yes I was thinking the same. Something of an irony OP. You’re fed up with being responsible for men so you’re asking other women to be responsible for future men!

diddl · 16/02/2024 20:37

I'd be pretty fucking furious if my DH told my in laws he cannot go over because I am busy and therefore blaming me.

And don't his parents say that it's ok to visit alone?

Obviously not if they think Op is blocking him.

I suppose that's easier than admitting that your son isn't bothered about seeing you.

I wonder if he ever lived alone what he did then?

NoThanksymm · 16/02/2024 21:05

lol! I have a similar situation. DH parents kinda suck, they treat him like the unwanted step child. EVERYTHING is ALWAYS about his sister. Including our wedding.

i bug him too arrange Christmas and at least one other get together a year (live ten hours apart,score) and it’s like pulling teeth.

he of course gets all the credit and I get the first side eye. Send his mum flowers and HES sooo thoughtful (lol. Not a descriptive work for him), you know, the things.

no bigs. I don’t much like them because they treat him like crap.

And honestly I’m ok taking the crap because it’s his relationship with them that matters, not mine. But I’d appreciate some recognition from him.

anyway. You’re not alone. And maybe his family sucks more than yours and he doesn’t want to pop over for tea.

maybe start loudly suggesting on speaker phone that your busy but he may be free?

but really, you want these people in your life? Are they worth the effort? Mine aren’t!

diddl · 16/02/2024 21:51

but really, you want these people in your life? Are they worth the effort? Mine aren’t!

But you still make effort on behalf of your husband?

Does he want you to?

missushbbb · 16/02/2024 21:55

Hmm I don't know about this one. My parents in law act like that, all decisions through his mum, my DH is the opposite I wish he was more like his
Dad, he does what he likes! However he does see his family without me, will take kids over, but usually it's all of us- his parents are quite quiet so he likes me there to do the heavy lifting I think! I have a son and I hope he does see me himself- I'll be like Pamela in Gavin and Stacy 😂

Cornflakes44 · 16/02/2024 22:03

Does he go out by himself to other things? Work events, friends stuff. Or is it just the family? If just family he probably wants you to do the heavy lifting socially. It's lazy and annoying but is it your problem to solve? It's probably easier said than done but you could just leave it. Try not to care what they think of you. Make it clear if anyone asks he won't go on his own. tell your children adults do go see their family but dad just doesn't want to go on his own, tell them to ask him why. If he doesn't want a closer relationship with his family then leave him to it.

Whyohwhywyoming · 16/02/2024 22:39

Your DH doesn’t want to see his parents because he doesn’t have the best relationship with them, and given how they sound, regardless of what he did or said, they would blame whoever he was married to.

HollyKnight · 16/02/2024 23:55

I don't really think this is a DH problem in this case. Your in-laws aren't nice, kind, loving easy-going people who he is neglecting to visit because he's lazy. They're the opposite, so I think it's understandable that he avoids them. They blame you because they're not going to blame themselves.

Frangipanyoul8r · 17/02/2024 00:04

I have a great relationship with my parents but never visit them on my own. My whole extended family visits each other in groups, we’re a big sociable family. It would feel strange to have small one to one chats. It isn’t because of a sense of obligation, it’s just how we do it.

JustMyView13 · 17/02/2024 06:03

Just because you are related to someone, it doesn’t mean you have to like them or enjoy their company. I think you’re other thinking it & he probably cannot face his difficult parents without a bit of moral support.
you’re never going to change the MILs opinion of you so you need to find a way of letting it go like water off a ducks back. You’ll be much happier.

asdunno · 17/02/2024 06:24

I find my dad hard work . I do go see him alone but I prefer it when someone comes with me as conversation is easier.

I use to be the one arranging to see dh side but I stopped as I find them stressful. Now we see them around once a month and dh sorts it. We usually all go together but if dh had a reason to he would pop and see them alone. (They are a bit further away tho so we don't tend to just nip in for a cuppa)

Julimia · 17/02/2024 16:11

You say ' Lose all autonomy' but really has there ever been any autonomy to lose?

Catza · 17/02/2024 16:47

This is MN so you will be getting “nobody is controlling their DHs and DCs” from the same people who go ballistic every time their husband doesn’t check in when they arrive at work.