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AIBU to ask parents to condition their sons this way?

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TiredGatekeeper · 15/02/2024 08:38

There is a situation in my marriage that has been going on for years and I am sick of it. However, before I go into that, I want to explain what I see as the best case scenario.

I have brothers. They are both married to nice women. One lives close to my parents, the other a few hours away. Both of my brothers go out with my parents, pop in on their way somewhere or back, arrange to go out with my dad to the footy, go round for a cup of tea etc. ON THEIR OWN. Sometimes they bring their wife, or wife and DC, but a lot of the time they go round to my parents on their own. FYI they are not neglecting their families. They are "popping in" for a bit, or spending an hour with them if their wife is off doing something. Also, my grown up nieces and nephews do this. They call up, then pop in. My SIL's are very nice, and very welcome when they come over. They are family and we love them.

My DH does none of this. It is as if I am the gatekeeper. Everything seems to have to be run by me. An example is we have been invited to something, I can't go, so he said "we can't go as TiredG is busy". Why can't he go on his own?
He never pops in, goes round on his own, has an independent relationship with his blood family. I am certainly not a control freak, I want him to go. Why can't I see them sometimes, and the rest of the time he goes and has a cup of tea, goes down to Homebase with his dad and other stuff?

As a result there is animosity between PIL and me. They think I block them. I don't. My DH just doesn't want to go there alone. I can see that a lot of it is that his mum and dad are difficult. I know I have a DH problem, but he has also been conditioned this way. When he got married his mum basically wrote off having a son, even though it turns out DH and I do way more for them than their DD's. My FIL wouldn't be allowed out without MIL at his side, so I also think my DH has been conditioned that your wife controls your movements and you don't do anything without her say so. My MIL thinks it is all my fault, and I am quote: "the one wearing the trousers" but that really isn't true according to my own family and friends, who say he clearly does. I think it is their fault, for not investing enough time and effort and having a good relationship with their son.

So, I'd like to ask mums (and dads) to instil in their sons that just because they have met someone, doesn't mean they lose all autonomy over their familial relationships, and it is OK, and in fact healthy to still go hang out with your parents and siblings ON YOUR OWN.

Women do this all the time. It is not controlling, or manipulative, or you are not a MIL from hell if your adult son comes over and chills on your sofa for an hour with a cup of tea and goes and opens the fridge and gazes a bit. In fact, it is healthy.

OP posts:
Fionaville · 15/02/2024 11:41

I actually think it's a 'you reap what you sow' situation.
It's very rare for my DH to pop in to see his parents. We go as a family or he'll go alone if it's a job or something they need help with. I make the time at least once a week to see my parents, because they devoted their lives to us kids growing up and are devoted grandparents now. They know everything about our kids because they ask and remember!
My in laws, not so much. They make little effort to get to know their grandchildren, well our kids specifically. They make more effort with their daughters kids. It's easier for some parents to blame their DILs for lack of contact, than to question why their son doesn't bother with them so much.

Sureaseggs44 · 15/02/2024 11:47

Mashedorboiled · 15/02/2024 08:49

So, I'd like to ask mums (and dads) to instil in their sons that just because they have met someone, doesn't mean they lose all autonomy over their familial relationships

Very few people are 'conditioning' their sons otherwise? Why would they??
Your husband's attitude sounds very odd.

I think you might be surprised my son never visits without his wife . They never do things apart . My daughter is the opposite they have a lot of times with separate social lives .

DysmalRadius · 15/02/2024 11:52

Sureaseggs44 · 15/02/2024 11:47

I think you might be surprised my son never visits without his wife . They never do things apart . My daughter is the opposite they have a lot of times with separate social lives .

Did you deliberately condition him to act like that? Why?!

Goldbar · 15/02/2024 13:08

YANBU to think that he should sort out his own relationship with his parents, rather than depending on you.

YABU to care that you're seen as the villain of the piece. Just say loud and clear to anyone who moans or comments, "I've encouraged DH to see family by himself. I can't always come and have other stuff to do but guess what, he's an adult, I'm not the boss of him and we're not surgically attached."

Just direct all complaints to him.

MenopauseSucks · 15/02/2024 13:09

Both sets of my grandparents lived a road apart but my Dad much preferred his MiL (my Mum's Mum) to his parents.
Conversation & visits with his parents was always stilted whereas he & his MiL used to get on really well.
During family visits stay with my maternal grandmother when we visited & my Mum would have to 'chivvy' him to visit his parents.
Amusingly, if he went down alone to visit his parents, he'd always pop in for a cuppa with his MiL!

willWillSmithsmith · 15/02/2024 13:19

I don’t see this as ‘normal’ male behaviour instilled by their mums. It seems more an individual family dynamic. My ex used to see his mum without me and my brother would visit our mum without his wife etc. obviously some mothers are possessive, dramatic and entitled but it’s not the default. I have sons and I don’t foresee this being a future issue because we have a good, healthy, balanced relationship/dynamic.

AhNowTed · 15/02/2024 13:22

Once you're a grown adult, it's time to stop blaming your upbringing for your actions.

TiredGatekeeper · 15/02/2024 13:30

I think part of the reason for my posting is that I am scared.
I am scared my own DS's will model his behaviour. They have already made comments to me about why don't adults see their parents when they grow up.

OP posts:
PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 15/02/2024 13:43

TiredGatekeeper · 15/02/2024 13:30

I think part of the reason for my posting is that I am scared.
I am scared my own DS's will model his behaviour. They have already made comments to me about why don't adults see their parents when they grow up.

Well, you and your DH should be a good example in that case, I suppose.

I do understand that you’re worried your DS might emulate their father… not sure what you can do about that if your DH simply doesn’t want to visit his parents.

diddl · 15/02/2024 13:44

KnittingKnewbie · 15/02/2024 09:14

I (F) do not like visiting my mother without my DH because I don't like spending time with her and I need someone to break the ice (not quite the expression I'm looking for). That's not my DH's fault, it's my DM's

Is your husband OK with that?

That used to be me & it felt quite a burden as I found them just as difficult as my husband!

stayathomer · 15/02/2024 13:46

My db brings his kids all the time but I’m the opposite, I like going on my own and not having a timeframe- they’re too bored, they’ve somewhere to go etc. I don’t know that it’s the issue- if someone feels they need their kids there maybe they don’t want to be there or maybe they really want their parents to see their kids. It’s a difficult one!

diddl · 15/02/2024 13:46

Op I would say don't try to force your husband to have a relationship that he doesn't want.

If you get on well with your son why would he not visit as an adult?

Perhaps he needs to know that not everyone likes/gets on with parents & in that case it's ok to have little to do with them.

But own it-don't blame the woman!

RhubarbGingerJam · 15/02/2024 14:05

TiredGatekeeper · 15/02/2024 13:30

I think part of the reason for my posting is that I am scared.
I am scared my own DS's will model his behaviour. They have already made comments to me about why don't adults see their parents when they grow up.

Why don't you just explain that all relationship are different - point out your brothers drop in on your parents as perusable you do- and reassure them your door will always be open them and you really hope they will drop in on you when they are adults.

Honestly way you describe your IL relationship it sounds broadline abusive and I'm really not sure I'd want that normalised to my sons.

I saw one set of DGP more than other - paternal - as have my DC - again paternal - situation and relationship were different and kids have tended to just accept that as their normal.

Newhere5 · 15/02/2024 14:20

SquirrelsStars · 15/02/2024 08:41

Well it's your husband so maybe you should sort it out, rather than blaming his and everyone else's parents...

It’s not her job to be “correcting” or raising her husband.

Zodfa · 15/02/2024 16:13

Is this actually the fault of the parents? It seems to me to be a general cultural malaise that a lot of married people (especially men) feel unable to have any sort of social life without bringing their spouses along. Which frequently results in greatly reduced friendships for all involved.

MystyLuna · 15/02/2024 19:19

I have told my husband that if someone asks him to do something that he doesn't want to do or go somewhere he doesn't want to go but he cannot think of an excuse to say no when put on the spot then just blame it on me. For example, my wife already has plans for that day, she is working, etc so he needs to look after our son. My wife isn't very well. We already have plans together that day. Etc. He very rarely does it but he has it to use if he is ever put on the spot.

74Violette · 15/02/2024 19:45

A lot of men are like this, it's bloody weird. No automony to do anything without their DP. I don't know why it is and the whole idea of being joined at the hip is frustrating and a bit pathetic tbh.

Ggttl · 15/02/2024 21:09

Maybe men with controlling mothers are often attracted to controlling women and aren’t great at being independent. I can’t imagine ‘conditioning’ anyone to have a particular type of relationship with me.

Ginandjuice57884 · 15/02/2024 21:34

I wonder if he's been conditioned like that then perhaps he gets a hard time if he were to appear without you by his side and he wants to avoid that. Not saying it's right or healthy, but perhaps an alternative perspective. Although if he's been conditioned like that, then it's probably not a healthy relationship and not one that he particularly wants to nurture or work on. It's not your responsibility and it's none of your business. If they blame you, it's not true. You know it's not true. That's enough.

confusedlots · 15/02/2024 21:56

My DH is like this and it is so frustrating! I have posted about it before when it was really getting to me. And I hate that we all end up going to the in laws house and it ends up as a whole day affair and we all have to do the same thing like go for a walk. It's so suffocating.

I happily pop over to my mum and dad's without DH, maybe stay an hour, maybe stay the afternoon, it's casual and maybe me and mum will pop out to do something and leave dad at home. It's so refreshing!

I am definitely going to make sure my DS doesn't end up the same!

TiredGatekeeper · 16/02/2024 08:08

I hate that we all end up going to the in laws house and it ends up as a whole day affair and we all have to do the same thing like go for a walk. It's so suffocating.

Same here. It is a whole day out drinking endless tea, and sitting on the sofa for 6 hours. I wish we did go for a walk!

OP posts:
PoppiesandBumbleBees · 16/02/2024 09:02

KnittingKnewbie · 15/02/2024 09:14

I (F) do not like visiting my mother without my DH because I don't like spending time with her and I need someone to break the ice (not quite the expression I'm looking for). That's not my DH's fault, it's my DM's

Same for me. I only ever visit my parents with my DH now, as my mum is utterly vile to me & the kids whenever I see them on my own, in a way that she never is when my DH is there because she has to ‘put on a face’ & be a lot more civil in his company.

It took me a long time to realise that was her pattern of behaviour, but it finally came to a head for me when my eldest was about 7 or 8 & was mature enough to realise that ‘something was wrong with granny’ whenever we saw her without DH. It’s just so different when DH is with us & ultimately the kids get a nicer experience of granny too, so it’s also better for their relationship with her.

Fortunately my DH is very supportive of my decision, because he understands enough about my mum to believe me when I tell him how she treats us in his absence.

OP if your MIL is controlling then your DH is probably avoiding her solo company for a reason - you berating him for it probably makes it feel harder for him to explain. Maybe try listening to him with genuine empathy & non judgement to see if you can understand his perspective better?

jazzyfazzy766 · 16/02/2024 09:17

I have the opposite problem with my DH he thinks it very odd if I want to see my parents without him and if I ever suggested he visit his mum without me he would be horrified. We had a situation last year where my parents invited me and my siblings out for a meal no partners or children I think really so we didn't have to find babysitters he has held a grudge against them ever since. I think it is totally normal to visit your parents on your own my siblings do too for a pop in or a quick afternoon visit. Obviously if going for lunch or as family we go as a family .

Sunshinedayscomeon · 16/02/2024 16:25

Happyinarcon · 15/02/2024 10:33

It can be extremely draining spending time with emotionally abusive parents as an adult. It’s because you go into the same high alert mode you were in as a child and 3 mins can seem like 3 hours

This exactly, if my mother was nice, kind and treated me with respect and wasn't constantly critising everything I do and don't do. I would probably visit her more. As it is my childhood was traumatic and everytime I visit it's bring the trauma back. Maybe this is why your DH doesn't visit his parents often.

Duechristmas · 16/02/2024 18:35

I won't see my own parents without my husband's, I need him there to water them down and as a witness if they say something awful, they have history. Maybe he's not comfortable going alone.

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