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XL Bullies to be destroyed now!

494 replies

Babycatsarenice · 14/02/2024 11:12

Sick of these monsters still being on our streets (I never see them muzzled as their irresponsible owners don't comply) and worse still knowing that they are still in homes with children.

AIBU that they should be put to sleep NOW

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brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 22/02/2024 09:19

oakleaffy · 21/02/2024 01:15

Absolutely classic demographic of an XLB owner.

Allows it to hurt others then throws a mega strop in Court.

They aren’t great “ Breed type” ambassadors.

This applies to ALL dogs.

If my teenage son humped your
leg

If my teenage son put his hands on your chest and licked you

If my teenage son squatted down and curled
out a shit on the pavement in front of you

If my teenage son walked to the park and sprinkled piss on every lamp-post along the way

If my teenage son yelled and screamed and kicked the door every time someone knocked

If my teenage son ran over to your picnic and stole your sandwich

And if he did any of these things, I would tell you he’s just being friendly. Just playing. He’s a big softie really.

HappiestSleeping · 22/02/2024 09:52

Also, it's that thing about perspective again. F&M had the potential to affect tens of thousands of people if not more, so the response was proportionate to the threat. The government would argue that their response to dog attacks has been proportionate to the threat (if not more so).

Winter2020 · 22/02/2024 09:57

HappiestSleeping · 22/02/2024 09:52

Also, it's that thing about perspective again. F&M had the potential to affect tens of thousands of people if not more, so the response was proportionate to the threat. The government would argue that their response to dog attacks has been proportionate to the threat (if not more so).

The government response has not stopped people being attacked on a daily basis.

Personally I can't see why we would need vets to euthanized these animals. We manage to do away with many sheep/pigs/cows and chicken with little involvement from vets.

Offer a good salary and people will be queuing up.

Frequency · 22/02/2024 10:33

Why did people expect it to make a difference immediately?

The majority of people attacked are attacked by their own dogs in their own home where the dogs are not required to be muzzled and there has been zero focus on responsible ownership or welfare.

It was never going to change overnight, regardless of the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of BSL.

It will never change until we switch the focus to responsible breeding and ownership, education, and welfare because BSL does not work. It hasn't worked in the UK and it hasn't worked in any other country which has tried it. Expecting a different result this time around is madness.

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 22/02/2024 11:00

Well said @Frequency

Gloriosaford · 22/02/2024 12:24

Winter2020 · 22/02/2024 09:57

The government response has not stopped people being attacked on a daily basis.

Personally I can't see why we would need vets to euthanized these animals. We manage to do away with many sheep/pigs/cows and chicken with little involvement from vets.

Offer a good salary and people will be queuing up.

Dogs are eaten as food in some countries, could they not be sold?

Gloriosaford · 22/02/2024 12:29

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 22/02/2024 09:19

This applies to ALL dogs.

If my teenage son humped your
leg

If my teenage son put his hands on your chest and licked you

If my teenage son squatted down and curled
out a shit on the pavement in front of you

If my teenage son walked to the park and sprinkled piss on every lamp-post along the way

If my teenage son yelled and screamed and kicked the door every time someone knocked

If my teenage son ran over to your picnic and stole your sandwich

And if he did any of these things, I would tell you he’s just being friendly. Just playing. He’s a big softie really.

Well said👏🏻
remember this woman didn't say 'he's like a son to me' she asserted that the dog is her literal son (does she believe that she is also a canid rather than a member of the genus homo??)
Those people who think that dogs are their children, why aren't they in school passing exams to get good qualifications and be useful members of society. Maybe they could be care workers, doctors, accountants?
If not why are you expecting the rest of us to afford the dog the same rights as humans?

Dominoeffecter · 22/02/2024 12:32

Predictabilitypreferred · 14/02/2024 11:36

Are you going to do it? You are aware that veterinary professionals don't generally enter the profession to put healthy animals to sleep? And none of them have to put any animal to sleep if they don't agree with it. Indeed many practices are refusing which leaves one or two in any given area where they will oblige. How do you think that will affect the mental health of the staff? Spending all day putting healthy puppies to sleep? Would you like to spend your working day doing that?
The ban will do nothing. They will be replaced with another equally powerful breed. The answer isn't breed bans, it's ownership bans, much more restrictive breeding laws, import bans etc. Other countries manage these very well, it's just the UK government that is useless.

Is their a volunteer position going??

Dominoeffecter · 22/02/2024 12:35

There

Gloriosaford · 22/02/2024 12:44

All these veterinary staff heartbroken about the Pitbull type dogs needing to be euthanized. . . why are they not even more heartbroken about the numerous smaller dogs who have been brutally maimed and killed by the Pitbull types.

The Pitbull type dogs will be painlessly euthanized, the dogs that they killed and maimed suffered horrible pain and terror.

HappiestSleeping · 22/02/2024 12:56

Winter2020 · 22/02/2024 09:57

The government response has not stopped people being attacked on a daily basis.

Personally I can't see why we would need vets to euthanized these animals. We manage to do away with many sheep/pigs/cows and chicken with little involvement from vets.

Offer a good salary and people will be queuing up.

The government will never be able to stop it completely, so they will never try to. They will provide a solution that they deem sufficient which is what they have done.

If your expectation is that all dog attacks will be eradicated, then I fear you are in for some disappointment.

HappiestSleeping · 22/02/2024 12:58

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 22/02/2024 09:19

This applies to ALL dogs.

If my teenage son humped your
leg

If my teenage son put his hands on your chest and licked you

If my teenage son squatted down and curled
out a shit on the pavement in front of you

If my teenage son walked to the park and sprinkled piss on every lamp-post along the way

If my teenage son yelled and screamed and kicked the door every time someone knocked

If my teenage son ran over to your picnic and stole your sandwich

And if he did any of these things, I would tell you he’s just being friendly. Just playing. He’s a big softie really.

In this instance, I would be blaming the breeder just like I do with the dogs.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 22/02/2024 13:34

Frequency · 22/02/2024 10:33

Why did people expect it to make a difference immediately?

The majority of people attacked are attacked by their own dogs in their own home where the dogs are not required to be muzzled and there has been zero focus on responsible ownership or welfare.

It was never going to change overnight, regardless of the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of BSL.

It will never change until we switch the focus to responsible breeding and ownership, education, and welfare because BSL does not work. It hasn't worked in the UK and it hasn't worked in any other country which has tried it. Expecting a different result this time around is madness.

BSL originally worked until the breeders tried to get round the ban by having pit offshoots brought into the country.
There are many who say BSL hasn’t worked mainly breed apologists.Until recently it worked, until the XL’s have flooded the country.
Unless you are saying that it hasn’t worked and that stronger solutions are needed, like all XL are immediately pts then I don’t see an alternative.Not a viable one anyway.

Frequency · 22/02/2024 13:39

@IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken Where are your stats for that?

Bites and fatalities have risen steadily year on year. If the point of BSL was to reduce dog related fatalities BSL has failed on every level.

If the point was only supposed to reduce the number of pitbull types with the full expectation that other breeds would then take their place then I would question why waste the money and resources implementing the ban in the first place? Do you think the victim's families feel better that it was a mastiff which killed their relative and not a pitbull type?

HellsAngel81 · 22/02/2024 13:47

Winter2020 · 22/02/2024 03:54

Today's victim of this "rare" occurance.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68364173

The breed/type in this attack hasn't yet been established.

Winter2020 · 22/02/2024 15:52

HellsAngel81 · 22/02/2024 13:47

The breed/type in this attack hasn't yet been established.

Edited

As the child has a hole in her arm I'd bet my money it was not a spaniel or a golden retriever.

HappiestSleeping · 22/02/2024 16:26

Frequency · 22/02/2024 13:39

@IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken Where are your stats for that?

Bites and fatalities have risen steadily year on year. If the point of BSL was to reduce dog related fatalities BSL has failed on every level.

If the point was only supposed to reduce the number of pitbull types with the full expectation that other breeds would then take their place then I would question why waste the money and resources implementing the ban in the first place? Do you think the victim's families feel better that it was a mastiff which killed their relative and not a pitbull type?

As before, we are all in violent agreement that banning the breeds doesn't work. Where we differ is on the solution. The enlightened amongst us think that control of breeders and availability (i.e stop the ability to sell dogs on Facebook, gumtree etc) will be effective, where the less enlightened think that banning dogs altogether / carrying knives / putting them all to sleep will work. It won't. As we have seen, those who have no respect for the law won't comply.

I would argue too, that the speed at which the government responded was purely a public relations exercise and they know it is unlikely to have any real impact on reducing the majority of dog attacks which actually fall outside the law anyway (I.e. dog bites inside a house where it wouldn't need to be muzzled anyway).

oakleaffy · 22/02/2024 16:28

Winter2020 · 22/02/2024 15:52

As the child has a hole in her arm I'd bet my money it was not a spaniel or a golden retriever.

It's already been described as ''Bully type''

Why isn't that a surprise?

Especially going by the slashed gouge of the little girl's arm muscle.

Gloriosaford · 22/02/2024 17:19

Any dog with the ability & inclination to attack like it clearly not suited to being kept as a pet.
Poor little girl. Thank goodness it wasnt even worse

Frequency · 22/02/2024 17:51

Any dog with the ability & inclination to attack like it clearly not suited to being kept as a pet

So, all of them then?

All breeds have the ability. DD's youngest chihuahua attempts to attack the Amazon delivery man on a daily basis. I have no fucking clue what the poor bloke has done to offend him but he despises him with a passion.

All breeds will attack under the wrong circumstances.

The difference between dogs who do attack and dogs who don't is almost always the owners.

For example, we lock DD's rat behind a closed door before opening the door to the Amazon man mostly so the runt doesn't embarrass himself with his ridiculous squeaking therefore despite having the inclination to attack his ability to do so is removed.

oakleaffy · 22/02/2024 18:46

Oh gawd.
What is it with Pit apologists and Chihuahuas.
That’s like comparing a pop gun with an AK47.

Pits as everyone knows have a specific bite style of hold hard and shake violently from side to side, where the teeth tear flesh much like a shark does.

Most dogs are snatch and release biters, not given to the pitbull/ bully type of mauling.

Pits and their crosses are “game “as well- They don’t release when hit or sprayed with CS gas
which is where the myth about the locking jaw came about.

A Chihuahua is nothing in comparison.

Notahotmess · 22/02/2024 18:47

Frequency · 22/02/2024 17:51

Any dog with the ability & inclination to attack like it clearly not suited to being kept as a pet

So, all of them then?

All breeds have the ability. DD's youngest chihuahua attempts to attack the Amazon delivery man on a daily basis. I have no fucking clue what the poor bloke has done to offend him but he despises him with a passion.

All breeds will attack under the wrong circumstances.

The difference between dogs who do attack and dogs who don't is almost always the owners.

For example, we lock DD's rat behind a closed door before opening the door to the Amazon man mostly so the runt doesn't embarrass himself with his ridiculous squeaking therefore despite having the inclination to attack his ability to do so is removed.

The difference is very obviously that even the most aggressive, psychotic chihuahua, does not have the ability to maul an adult to death.

Frequency · 22/02/2024 18:52

I was responding to the "any dog with the ability and inclination" comment which is all dogs. What DD's little fluff bomb wants to do to the Amazon man is an attack.

Obviously, if we were stupid enough to not hinder his ability to do so the fluffball would be in more danger than the Amazon man but that doesn't mean what he is attempting to do is not an attack. He has the inclination. His ability is hindered only by our control of him.

Incidentally, the bigger dog would also love to greet the Amazon man. He wants to love him as violently as the small dog wants to attack him but his ability to do so is also hindered by our control of him.

hamjamwitch · 22/02/2024 18:53

Don't forget. Any concerns can be reported anonymously on the crimestoppers website

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 22/02/2024 18:56

Frequency · 22/02/2024 13:39

@IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken Where are your stats for that?

Bites and fatalities have risen steadily year on year. If the point of BSL was to reduce dog related fatalities BSL has failed on every level.

If the point was only supposed to reduce the number of pitbull types with the full expectation that other breeds would then take their place then I would question why waste the money and resources implementing the ban in the first place? Do you think the victim's families feel better that it was a mastiff which killed their relative and not a pitbull type?

What stats…how do you prove the amount of maulings and deaths that have not occurred by pit bulls from when the ban came into place over 30 years ago.
Yes figures have risen year on year especially in the last few years.When was it about 8 or so years XL’s were first in the UK.
How many mastiffs have killed and mauled humans and other animals.So how does that compare to those affected by XLB’s