XL Bullies to be destroyed now!

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Sick of these monsters still being on our streets (I never see them muzzled as their irresponsible owners don't comply) and worse still knowing that they are still in homes with children.

AIBU that they should be put to sleep NOW

When one of them attacks, people's concern - quite rightly - is not about the welfare of the vicious dog that is trying to kill someone.

But again, the chance of being attacked by any strange dog, much less a breed of which there are only 30,000 or so in the country, is so vanishingly small it is not worth thinking about.

It is definitely not worth risking a criminal record by illegally arming yourself.

Nor is it worth spending hours researching sick and twisted ways to kill and maim an animal.

I think in fairness @Frequency people's position on this issue often depends on the privilege of living somewhere where the breed / similar ones aren't perhaps very prevalent.

For those of us who spend time in areas where we see multiple dogs like this on a regular basis, the 'vanishingly rare' argument isn't massively relevant.

Because if we've recently seen multiple dogs of this breed with multiple shit, reckless owners who clearly don't care about public safety (and seen multiple close calls with them not being well controlled) then it's not a huge stretch that we're panicking about ourselves or our children being harmed and thinking about what on earth we would do if we were attacked.

So a 17 year old lad can overpower an XLB and is a hero, yet apparently they can only be stopped by guns.

I was not advocating carrying a machete don't be so ridiculous 🙄

Often it’s small or elderly dogs that these fighting breeds target -but the “ sympathy “ from pit apologists is only ever for the predatory dog, never the innocent dog.

An older woman’s pet schnauzer was killed by one of these XLB s the other day, and she was dragged by it.

Pet dog owners have been killed trying to defend their small dogs from these maulers.

A vet’s wife on here gave an horrific description of their pet dog being killed by an XL Bully

Her husband ,a strong man used to handling large animals was doing everything in his power to save their poor pet dog.

Vets feel protective of their pet dogs and horses when one of these awful fighting breeds targets them.
(Horses are targets for these mindless maulers, too.)

Have local people reported him to the police and given his address etc, he is breaking the law, surely they would act?

The lad is a hero, but also he was BLOODY lucky!!
Notice the police weren't quite so gung ho!

how do you feel about the numerous smaller dogs who have died horrific deaths inflicted by pitbull type dogs?

I'm sure the fact it was unlikey to be the victim is also little comfort to those maimed or killed.

Laws are meant to strike an appropriate balance between freedoms, necessities and protections. In this case there is no necessity/ legitimate reason to own such an animal. There are only significant downsides for society. Therefore, allowing the risk of attacks by such dogs to remain at all by allowing anybody to own one is unreasonable when the risk can be eradicated entirely with no detrimental impact on society. This is why comparisons to lightning strikes (impossible to eradicate), abusive men (impossible to eradicate from human society), people being hit by cars (impracticable to eradicate) are so absurd.

vicious animal's attack which is extremely likely (as many such incidents demonstrate)

So, in 2023 there were 8 fatal attacks, of which 4 were XLBs. In a population of nearly 70 million people, and 12 million dogs.

And that is extremely likely? And many such incidents? 🤔

yeah, me neither, and I fuss over every friendly dog I meet, so really notice dogs. I walk, cycle & run thru neighbourhoods in all income brackets. I met one dog on train who I thought might be XL, but owners said thankfully not. But it really looked like one (lovely friendly, of course).

Yesterday I met 2 Alsatians who the owner said were unstable rescues so I couldn't say hello. I met a mongrel who also wasn't suitable to say hello to. I met a giant white Alsatian who loved a good fuss. Few months ago I got nipped by a frightened French bulldog (my bad, I scared it). Most other dogs were complete lovelies to say hello to, including a shaggy French bulldog.

But XLBs, neah, don't see them ever.

@whenlifegivesyoulemonssuckonthem that's really upsetting, poor little dog. I absolutely hate parents who let their children torment animals.

I don't think it was you, but to be fair, the quote was actually "a larger stronger blade".

No, that wasn't me but I certainly wouldn't advise anyone carrying any sort of blade, having a sharp pinted article in a public place is an offence and is unlikely to make difference if you were attacked by a big dog

Also, you are more likely to be attacked by your own knife, obviously not by xl bully's but if someone attacked you and you got out a knife you are at very real risk of it being taken off you and used against you

I've been attacked by a dog on two occasions in the past year. On each occasion I had another dog with me and the attacking dog went between attacking the dog and myself.
These were terrifying incidents although in both cases the dogs, a large collie and a sheltie, bit us but didn't have the power to do a lot of damage.These incidents were terrifying and I dread to think how an attack by a powerful dog would be.

Absolutely agree. That's why I disagreed with the PP who was proposing it as being a good idea.

The "only 30,000" XL Bully dogs in the country so you are unlikely to be attacked by one doesn't hold water when they make up less than 1% of dogs but are responsible for 50% of fatal dog attacks - and although we don't have the statistics recorded as far as I know with that is mind it is reasonable to assume a very disproportionate amount of serious dog attacks also.

So if you want to argue that attacks are rare forget the 30,000 dogs - you need to look at the number of fatal and serious dog attacks and then consider about half of them are inflicted by these types of dogs.

So lets say 5 or 6 human fatalities in the last few years by Bully type dogs.... and you consider that rare... how many life changing attacks on people/visitors/neighbours/children? How many fatalities/ life changing injuries on other dogs and other animals? How many people living in fear going about their daily lives because they do have these dogs in the neighborhood. How many people no longer going for a walk or using the park, how many people that are scared to go in their gardens?

The number of attacks by Bully dogs will not show the number of people that dare not use their garden/ walk their streets/use their park because of these type of dogs being present. People avoiding living normally in order to avoid the dogs will reduce the number of attacks - but why should people not feel safe in their own garden because of their neighbours choice of dog?

https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/24131700.thamesmead-xl-bully-attacked-2-people-not-dangerous-says-owner/

I'm sure it's unlikely that I'll ever be attacked by one but I can't get the 10 year old boy who was playing with his ball outside the front of his house and attacked by 2 who got out their garden when they saw him . We live in a rough area , I've only ever seen one here but I'm not going to say that it doesn't concern me that they are walking home on their own and they may come across one that decides to attack

Personally, I don't disagree that there is a disproportionate volume of attacks by this particular type of dog. One is too many. What I am saying, and I think the others are too, is that banning the breed won't stop this. Doing more to control breeding and sales outlets will.

Also, while there are people who are directly affected, the chances are still disproportionate to the reaction. I am not saying that it is not a very real fear. I would probably be uncomfortable if I had one living next to me. I don't think anybody here is saying that those people should have to live in fear either.

The government have done what they believe to be the right thing, whether we like it or not. Anyone who is genuinely fearful does not have to just live like that, they are able to report to the health and safety executive, the police and the local authority. Then we are at the mercy of how much funding those relevant bodies have to take action. If we want that changed, we should be lobbying for that too.

Amy Legemah’s XL Bully, Hugo, bit a child’s leg on Attlee Road in Thamesmead on March 12 last year.
Then just 11 days later Hugo attacked a terrified student after he escaped while on a walk.
Amy's other dog, a Rottweiler named Luna, also joined in with the second attack.
On Tuesday (February 20) Legemah appeared at Woolwich Crown Court where she attempted to convince a judge that Hugo should not be put down because he isn’t dangerous.
But Judge Anya Lewis KC ruled that Hugo does present a risk to the public and should be destroyed.
Legemah cried out “please no, he’s my son” before booting a rubbish bin down the hall as she left the courtroom.
Legemah, 37, had pleaded guilty to two counts of being the owner of a dangerously out of control dog which caused injury.
Outlining the case against her, prosecutor Obi Mgbokwere said the first attack took place after the seven-year-old boy had been petting Luna near Legemah’s home.
When one of the boy’s relatives asked Legemah to bring Hugo out, she brought him out without a collar or leash.
“The boy was running and playing with another child when the XL Bully went to him without warning, grabbed his leg and bit it,” Mr Mgbokwere said.
When the boy began to cry Legemah pulled Hugo away and was very apologetic.
The young boy was taken to hospital for treatment for minor injuries to his leg.
The second incident took place on March 22 when Legemah tripped and dropped both Hugo and Luna’s leads as she left her flat to take them on a walk.
Hugo ran off first, followed by Luna.
An 18-year-old student who was passing the flat said the XL Bully stared at her before launching an attack.
He jumped at her, biting her elbow and right knee, before Luna joined in the attacked and bit the woman’s ankle.
The woman, who was knocked to the ground, said: “The incident made me fear for my life. I was very scared at the time and it has really shaken me up.”

The owner would appear to be unstable, the last person who should be in charge of dangerous dogs!

Quote "Anyone who is genuinely fearful does not have to just live like that, "

...but they do have to pive like that because as long as the dogs are registered/neutered/wear a muzzle on a walk they are legal. So for a neighbour frightened to use their garden there is no point in reporting to anybody - nobody will be interested in legal but frightening dogs next door.

...We have to wait for "Luna" to attack someone else before that dog is destroyed ....great. I bet her neighbours are delighted "Luna" who bit a passer by will be coming home. I bet their kids can't play out/use the garden. Why should an aggressive dog take priority over people's right to quiet enjoyment of their garden/street/neighbourhood.

And that is extremely likely? And many such incidents? 🤔

Try reading my post again.

🏆 Comprehension fail award for you.

You (perhaps deliberately??) quoted half of my sentence. I said when someone is being attacked by one of these dogs it is extremely likely they will be maimed or killed.

I did not say that any given person is extremely likely to be attacked by a dog.