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To not pick up dog poo...

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Moonfishstar · 13/02/2024 05:54

... when in a quiet forest, but to flick it with a stick into dense undergrowth instead?

I don't see any issue with this, but I've got a feeling lots will disagree with me, so I wanted to get some other opinions.

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Papyrophile · 14/02/2024 20:56

eduwot · 14/02/2024 20:52

Definitely. This is way better than putting it in bags. I wonder how long the biodegradable bags take to break down? I have accidentally put one in the washing machine (minus the shit) and it came out completely fine and useable. As long as no one can walk on it, it's better

I have biodegradeable dog poo bags in every coat and bag. If you leave them anywhere light-accessible, they start to decompose and break up in a few weeks.

Justpontificating · 14/02/2024 20:58

Barquentine · 14/02/2024 20:52

@Minymile is making some extremely valid points.
Dog poo, cow poo, pesticides and chemicals most of which come from the more prolific farming world are all contributing to the loss of our natural environment.

We should all be more aware and think twice about the food we eat and make a simple sacrifice for future generations especially since so many on here clearly have strong concerns.

👏👏

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 21:00

You'd pick it up on a pavement outside a school (hopefully), so why won't you pick it up in a forest? Same shit different day.

SwirlyWhirls · 14/02/2024 21:01

Moonfishstar · 14/02/2024 06:50

Dogs have been a staple of UK culture for decades if not centuries, as has walking/hiking in forests. This isn't the reason.

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9 million dogs in the UK in 2019, 13 million in 2022 (source: Statista). More dogs comes with more shit everywhere, sadly.

SabrinaThwaite · 14/02/2024 21:04

Non organic Dairy cattle are given chemicals ( banned in other countries ) that increase milk yield and cause breast cancer.

In the UK?

Which ones are these?

MontyDonsBlueScarf · 14/02/2024 21:08

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 21:00

You'd pick it up on a pavement outside a school (hopefully), so why won't you pick it up in a forest? Same shit different day.

You keep your kid's noise levels down in the library (hopefully) so why wouldn't you do it at the beach? Same noise different day.

Barquentine · 14/02/2024 21:13

Theminer · 14/02/2024 20:55

Absolutely. But changing hearts and minds isn’t achieved by being abrasive, it’s achieved by educating people- and all education is more effective if you meet people where they are.

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Not sure why you’ve tagged me here except that I agree with Minys points
However

Im afraid you are coming across as a little rude with personal attacks…..if I may say…bizarre considering you’re criticising the language of others.

I see Miny hasn’t risen to the bate.

eduwot · 14/02/2024 21:18

@Papyrophile but they won't be in the light in landfill, will they? I'm sure they do breakdown eventually, but they seem very tough!

Theminer · 14/02/2024 21:21

Barquentine · 14/02/2024 21:13

Not sure why you’ve tagged me here except that I agree with Minys points
However

Im afraid you are coming across as a little rude with personal attacks…..if I may say…bizarre considering you’re criticising the language of others.

I see Miny hasn’t risen to the bate.

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I agree with them too 🤷‍♀️

Papyrophile · 14/02/2024 21:27

@Eduwot, I left a roll on the kitchen counter for a week or so, in the sun, and they shredded in my hand when I used them so yes, I assume they are broken down by light.

Theminer · 14/02/2024 21:28

eduwot · 14/02/2024 21:18

@Papyrophile but they won't be in the light in landfill, will they? I'm sure they do breakdown eventually, but they seem very tough!

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Buy one of the many other types of actually compostable or biodegradable ones.

Prunesqualler · 14/02/2024 21:28

SabrinaThwaite · 14/02/2024 21:04

Non organic Dairy cattle are given chemicals ( banned in other countries ) that increase milk yield and cause breast cancer.

In the UK?

Which ones are these?

Think the uk banned it around 2000. Most parts of Europe in the 1970s. The UK is crap isn’t it.

Its still a problem with some of the meat as it’s also used in lice treatment etc
No idea if the uk use the same treatments still but many countries that we import from do.

But then oestrogen in hrt, trans therapy and the pill etc can’t be removed by our purification plants after we wee it out. Too much oestrogen in our water causes infertility in men if exposed to it over long periods and obv depending on how much they drink and how susceptible. It is a known problem.

Whether it’s chemicals in our meat or water many do cause health risks and essentially…..money talks.

Theminer · 14/02/2024 21:30

Prunesqualler · 14/02/2024 21:28

Think the uk banned it around 2000. Most parts of Europe in the 1970s. The UK is crap isn’t it.

Its still a problem with some of the meat as it’s also used in lice treatment etc
No idea if the uk use the same treatments still but many countries that we import from do.

But then oestrogen in hrt, trans therapy and the pill etc can’t be removed by our purification plants after we wee it out. Too much oestrogen in our water causes infertility in men if exposed to it over long periods and obv depending on how much they drink and how susceptible. It is a known problem.

Whether it’s chemicals in our meat or water many do cause health risks and essentially…..money talks.

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I thought this oestrogen in the water thing had been debunked in recent years?

Prunesqualler · 14/02/2024 21:33

Theminer · 14/02/2024 21:30

I thought this oestrogen in the water thing had been debunked in recent years?

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I’m not aware of any updates but thanks.
ill sift through the Govn lies to see if I can find an accurate update if there is one.
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oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 21:35

Theminer · 14/02/2024 16:51

There’s loads- google it. Many different shapes and sizes, made from plant based materials, or recycled paper etc.

You are allowed to carry all manner of bags in the mountains… spoil yourself and try a few different types!

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poo carried in a recycled paper bag for 4-6 hours in the rain?!… A sure fire way of getting shit in your pockets

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 21:35

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SabrinaThwaite · 14/02/2024 21:35

@Prunesqualler

I was asking for clarification on the post made by @Minymile at 20:01.

oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 21:37

Theminer · 14/02/2024 17:37

Same here. Never so much as a sprained toe.

Risk taking ‘playgrounds’ are a thing for a reason.

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As a professional in outdoor and experiential learning I’m also for perceived risk. But not in the undergrowth of a forestry commission forest.

Theminer · 14/02/2024 21:37

Prunesqualler · 14/02/2024 21:33

I’m not aware of any updates but thanks.
ill sift through the Govn lies to see if I can find an accurate update if there is one.
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I’ve just had a brief look for what I thought I had read and I can’t see it, so I may well be totally wrong and thinking of something else!

Edited to add it was the soya/oestrogen link I was thinking of!

oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 21:39

Prunesqualler · 14/02/2024 19:03

well said @Minymile

Given the majority opinion on this MN thread we should be at least 85% vegan and organic food only.

Yet we are only few % ( if that) here in the UK

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I’m vegan… so me flicking shit balances out 🤷‍♀️

oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 21:40

Theminer · 14/02/2024 19:06

Right, so because everyone isn’t perfect in all aspects of their lives, dogs should be allowed to shit wherever?

I mean, water companies dump sewage in the sea… so it doesn’t matter if I take a shit on the beach? And instead of bothering to wait for bin/recycling day I’ll just empty my bins in the local pond?

Surely you can see that ‘the world isn’t perfect so why should anyone make an effort?’ is just the fast road to total ruination?!

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I’m not perfect… I flick shit

oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 21:42

Minymile · 14/02/2024 20:01

The problem is most people make no effort if it actually affects them.
Most people know dog poo can be problematic, everyone must surely know eating animals and non organic food does seriously affect our environment.
Looking at MN comments here it seems most people appreciate the former but if you pop over onto the odd thread about eg food ( there was one recently re school meal costs ) there was an utter almost 99% backlash as soon as a MN suggested to cut costs the food should be veggie or vegan.

So looking at where the majority of MN comments stand it’s clear most really aren’t interested in doing anything to help the environment if it involves a perceived sacrifice.

The comment above re picking up cow poo is a case in point. It gets left for long periods of time by farmers and hence leeches into the ground along with all the excreted chemicals that they are given. Non organic Dairy cattle are given chemicals ( banned in other countries ) that increase milk yield and cause breast cancer. So many problems I can’t go into them all

this issue of dog poo and it’s environmental impact isn’t even touching the surface of the wider issue of food production and pollution that hurts our environment and whilst FC have addressed it they have only done so as they, on their own, can do nothing about the food which the majority of the uk population chose to eat.

On a thread like this which is addressing dangers to the environment it is worth mentioning.

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Prunesqualler · 14/02/2024 21:42

Prunesqualler · 14/02/2024 21:33

I’m not aware of any updates but thanks.
ill sift through the Govn lies to see if I can find an accurate update if there is one.
👍

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@Theminer
Most recent reports from the uk are not recent ( it was a quick look though)

Here, however, is one from 2022
Scientist noting it’s not possible to remove the oestrogen in current treatment plants
See attached 4 para down second page
Hope you’ve got good eyesight

To not pick up dog poo...
To not pick up dog poo...
oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 21:47

Papyrophile · 14/02/2024 20:56

I have biodegradeable dog poo bags in every coat and bag. If you leave them anywhere light-accessible, they start to decompose and break up in a few weeks.

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Is that why they get hung on trees.. maximise the light?

oOmoonhaOo · 14/02/2024 21:48

Emily1583 · 14/02/2024 21:00

You'd pick it up on a pavement outside a school (hopefully), so why won't you pick it up in a forest? Same shit different day.

Because no one’s going to see it, or stand in it and it will degrade a lot quicker.