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To not pick up dog poo...

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Moonfishstar · 13/02/2024 05:54

... when in a quiet forest, but to flick it with a stick into dense undergrowth instead?

I don't see any issue with this, but I've got a feeling lots will disagree with me, so I wanted to get some other opinions.

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Veronicaisaflower · 13/02/2024 13:37

Prunesqualler · 13/02/2024 13:35

Quite right @Minymile children and adults playing in the undergrowth and running all over the place, off the designated areas, is hugely detrimental.

Some forests have realised the issue and now have allocated areas which have been cleared to allow play.
Its a shame a lot of people don’t seem to get the damage that is being done.

Holy whataboutery, Batman!

SweetBirdsong · 13/02/2024 13:37

sexyandsmart · 13/02/2024 13:03

The Firestry Commiduin do indeed condone stick and flick. They promote it

How old are these posters though?

because someone posted a link to this earlier...

At the bottom it says 'Keep our forests cleanBag and bin your dog's waste. Any public or household waste bin can take bagged dog poo.'

https://www.forestryengland.uk/dog-code

I am getting so confused now. SO many mixed messages and rules here that people keep posting that I don't know what's right or wrong now. I know one thing though - I'm glad I don't have a dog!

Your Forest Dog Code

Take the lead Forests are great spaces for your dog to enjoy, just make sure you know when you need to use the lead. Keep your eyes peeled Please respect other visitors, wildlife and livestock, keep your eyes open and your dog within sight. Have good c...

https://www.forestryengland.uk/dog-code

nonmerci99 · 13/02/2024 13:39

SweetBirdsong · 13/02/2024 13:37

How old are these posters though?

because someone posted a link to this earlier...

At the bottom it says 'Keep our forests cleanBag and bin your dog's waste. Any public or household waste bin can take bagged dog poo.'

https://www.forestryengland.uk/dog-code

I am getting so confused now. SO many mixed messages and rules here that people keep posting that I don't know what's right or wrong now. I know one thing though - I'm glad I don't have a dog!

The posters are outdated.

surreygirl1987 · 13/02/2024 13:39

Lazy and disgusting and people like you are why I stopped my kids running through forests when they were little.

Fully agree. Lazy and disguting. I fear I may have to do this too. My little boys absolutely LOVE exploring. I love seeing them explore the forests and they always have an amazing time - they make dens, play hide and seek, and play make-believe games about wxplorers and pirates etc. Three times though, recently, they've come back with dog poo on them. One time it was on my little boy's front (he was hiding in a bush). I should not have to feel that I can only let my kids play in our back garden or a playground. (Mind you, my youngest was attacked by a dog in a playground when he was 6 months old in his pram, so that wasn't great either!).

Then you have the morons who say people are getting 'hysterical' over dog poo... 🙄

SweetBirdsong · 13/02/2024 13:39

Minymile · 13/02/2024 13:04

Humans including children should stay on the paths. Running all over the place off the paths has detrimental affects on tree and all plant roots along small animals and insects.
Woodlands are not there for humans and children to explore first and foremost.

What a load of absolute histrionic tripe! 😆

Playing in the woodlands, and exploring them and getting messy, getting lost, building little dens, and playing hide and seek in them etc etc etc, is a rite of passage for children. Ban children/people from the woods? Don't be ridiculous!

surreygirl1987 · 13/02/2024 13:41

Some people intentionally don’t pick up dog poo, that’s the issue. Maybe cat poo is a significant problem for some. But I don’t see it littering streets, parks, beaches and woodland 🤢Even in front of my neighbours drive the other morning, he had to pick up dog poo before he ran his car through it or his kids stepped in it - he doesn’t even have a dog. I was putting my child in the car at the same time. Grim.

🤮 that is vile. What is wrong with people?

Theminer · 13/02/2024 13:42

Wingham · 13/02/2024 12:56

Not to mention the ammonia generated by farm animals.( absorbed by planting trees btw)
We are a long way off from an ideal world of only organic farming and veganism.
Its all about doing what we can and a few lifestyle changes in, for example, only buying organic and reducing meat consumption would help the environment, including our woodlands ( esp given the damage pesticides do )

In terms of the OPs post, we follow the woodlands guidance.
We only use woodlands that we are allowed to as many do not give access. We do not allow children to stray off the path running over roots and disturbing nature.

We follow the guidance, which states move dog poo off the path to the side
Do not bag and hang!
One woodland has a long explanation about how long it takes ‘so-called’ biodegradable bags to actually break down. So they too prefer the flick method.

You do know there are other options than plastic bags or bags that are supposedly biodegradable but not really?

Cornstarch based, or recycled paper based etc.

It just requires people to actually bother themselves to actually research it.

surreygirl1987 · 13/02/2024 13:42

*What a load of absolute histrionic tripe! 😆

Playing in the woodlands, and exploring them and getting messy, getting lost, building little dens, and playing hide and seek in them etc etc etc, is a rite of passage for children. Ban children/people from the woods? Don't be ridiculous!*

Fully agree with you! Utterly batshit.

noonesproblem · 13/02/2024 13:42

Prunesqualler · 13/02/2024 13:35

Quite right @Minymile children and adults playing in the undergrowth and running all over the place, off the designated areas, is hugely detrimental.

Some forests have realised the issue and now have allocated areas which have been cleared to allow play.
Its a shame a lot of people don’t seem to get the damage that is being done.

Well that's short sighted. If you want the upcoming generations to value nature and wild spaces, they have to be able to nurture their interest of love of them by enjoying being in them and exploring and playing.

Prunesqualler · 13/02/2024 13:43

SweetBirdsong · 13/02/2024 13:39

What a load of absolute histrionic tripe! 😆

Playing in the woodlands, and exploring them and getting messy, getting lost, building little dens, and playing hide and seek in them etc etc etc, is a rite of passage for children. Ban children/people from the woods? Don't be ridiculous!

This is not for all woodlands.
There are plenty that allow this. They are often quite obvious as they have car parks and lots of signs explaining stuff.

There are also plenty that have designated paths that are there for nature. It’s important to appreciate the difference.

Unfortunately many do not.

SarcocystisFayeri · 13/02/2024 13:43

pickledandpuzzled · 13/02/2024 13:36

Is that in the uk? Mine used to eat meat I bought in the supermarket. I’ve had to go to preminced as he’s aged though. Uk dog food has to be human grade meat.

Yea that’s in the uk.

Thing is, horse meat doesn’t (or shouldn’t) enter the human food chain in the UK (and there are controls as to what can enter the human food chain in France etc.)

What happens to horses that die that are taken away and not cremated, well…🤷‍♀️ I can well imagine that they end up in the pet food chain. It’s certainly worth asking your supplier “Is there any horse meat in this?”

Flickersy · 13/02/2024 13:44

SweetBirdsong · 13/02/2024 13:39

What a load of absolute histrionic tripe! 😆

Playing in the woodlands, and exploring them and getting messy, getting lost, building little dens, and playing hide and seek in them etc etc etc, is a rite of passage for children. Ban children/people from the woods? Don't be ridiculous!

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2021-06-30/people-urged-to-avoid-walking-through-dartmoor-woods-following-damage-to-habitats

Masses of people tramping through woodland (or any nature) is damaging.

This is why you see signs saying "keep to the path".

Prunesqualler · 13/02/2024 13:44

Prunesqualler · 13/02/2024 13:43

This is not for all woodlands.
There are plenty that allow this. They are often quite obvious as they have car parks and lots of signs explaining stuff.

There are also plenty that have designated paths that are there for nature. It’s important to appreciate the difference.

Unfortunately many do not.

Also remember many woods are private property with no public footpaths. They are there for diversity not as playgrounds.

Theminer · 13/02/2024 13:45

Minymile · 13/02/2024 13:04

Humans including children should stay on the paths. Running all over the place off the paths has detrimental affects on tree and all plant roots along small animals and insects.
Woodlands are not there for humans and children to explore first and foremost.

So dogs should all stay in the paths too?

FancyJapflack · 13/02/2024 13:47

For those with children who apparently scramble through undergrowth (🙄) what do you do when they come out smeared in fox or badger poo?

Prunesqualler · 13/02/2024 13:47

Flickersy · 13/02/2024 13:44

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2021-06-30/people-urged-to-avoid-walking-through-dartmoor-woods-following-damage-to-habitats

Masses of people tramping through woodland (or any nature) is damaging.

This is why you see signs saying "keep to the path".

Thankyou!
@Flickersy thought I was going crazy with all these MNs that believe our natural habitat was only there for them to explore and they don’t do any damage to it

Flickersy · 13/02/2024 13:50

Prunesqualler · 13/02/2024 13:47

Thankyou!
@Flickersy thought I was going crazy with all these MNs that believe our natural habitat was only there for them to explore and they don’t do any damage to it

It's not just woodlands. The sheer pressure of too many people wanting to visit certain places is causing huge damage. This is the Lake District, but Snowdonia has similar problems too.

https://www.lakedistrict.gov.uk/caringfor/projects/fixthefells

Fix the Fells

On-going work to help combat the eroding effects of weather and walkers on the Lake District fells.

https://www.lakedistrict.gov.uk/caringfor/projects/fixthefells

RaisingTheDead · 13/02/2024 13:52

Prunesqualler · 13/02/2024 13:24

Very rude as we grow and manage our woodlands
We are also fully organic, and are vegans so our impact on the environment is much smaller than others.
We work very hard to protect all wildlife and the environment and have researched heavily into how those who we allow to walk amongst our woodlands and wetlands should act.
Everything we do is fully researched waying up the best possible course of action.
The best course is to not allow people to walk amongst the land at all in order to fully preserve the wildlife, flora and fauna. However we decided people should be able to enjoy it in designated areas and to not stray off these areas, as such our pathways are raised off the undergrowth and all, including children, are not allowed to stray off these.

In terms of dog poo again it has been fully researched, not by me but by the wildlife conservationists and foresters that we use. We are happy to follow their guidance. I can only assume the FC have such a large footfall that they can’t cope with it.
We don’t. As we restrict access to certain days and times of year paying particular attention to periods of growth, both plant and animal.

This is all great, but if you still don’t pick up after your dog my point remains the same.

SabrinaThwaite · 13/02/2024 13:54

@surreygirl1987

Another link for you:

People are being urged to clean up their dog’s poo to save Ashdown Forest.

Wardens at the forest say leaving dog’s faeces can kill endangered birds, affect rare heathland and cause livestock to abort their young.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/23592351.ashdown-forest-people-urged-clean-dog-faeces/

Pooh Corner ✅

Poo Corner ❌

Ginandjuice57884 · 13/02/2024 13:54

Why would you not pick it up? So lazy and disgusting.

MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 13/02/2024 13:55

Probably more dogs are walked on public urban footpaths than forest footpaths. So the deluge of solid and liquid waste reported by The Guardian is not confined to 'lesser walked' footpaths.

Most concentrated places to find excess dog waste is on the school run because ignorant parents actually think that they are being very clever in killing two birds with one stone. (Children to school and toileting their animals.) When, in fact, they are ensuring that a good proportion of children are actually traipsing filth straight into school. Even those who pick it up cannot do so without leaving traces of it behind, of which the traces are full of germs, pathogens, parasites (especially those fed on the ever increasingly popular raw diet 🤢 - salmonella spreaders) - unless of course your dog produces hover turds and they don't actually touch the ground.

The children proceed into school taking in varying amounts of solid faeces, down to trace amounts. They walk it all over the class carpet area where children sit, often for long periods of time. Here they put their hands down on the carpet, play with their own shoes and even the shoes belonging to the person sat next to them. I have watched children pick dog shite out of the tread of their own shoes.

Parents then wonder why there is so much 'noro virus' around at any given time of the year, when in fact it comes from the sewage left behind from lazy dog owners who cannot possibly bear the thought of toileting their own animals on their own property. So they regularly take them out to foul public property.

My grandchildren's pushchairs have to go in my car and also into my house. Why would I want to have to trail them through streams of dogs piss and heaps of shite spread far and wide, which are more often than not, the full width of the pavement?

If a dog can be trained to sit it can be trained to defecate on demand, like service dogs are. Grot up your own property - not public property.

Barbara Woodhouse will be spinning in her grave.

Pheasantsmate · 13/02/2024 13:57

Unless it is something like forestry commission land. Both children and dogs should be remaining on the footpaths unless you have the landowners permission. People flicking dog mess off the path is one debate- but let’s be honest the children shouldn’t be hooning off all over the place either!!!

noonesproblem · 13/02/2024 13:58

FancyJapflack · 13/02/2024 13:47

For those with children who apparently scramble through undergrowth (🙄) what do you do when they come out smeared in fox or badger poo?

That's literally never happened.

Again, the problem is dog populations are not moderated by resource availability, like wild animals are. So there are far higher numbers of them using, and shitting, in the environment that nature would support if they were wild. Hence, loads of dog shit for kids and adults to step in, so much shit that you see if everytime you go for a walk, compared to me never actually seeing wild fox or badger shit.

Also loving the way that the solution from some is that kids need to keep to paths, but dogs don't and can shit anywhere.

Flickersy · 13/02/2024 13:58

Why would I want to have to trail them through streams of dogs piss and heaps of shite spread far and wide, which are more often than not, the full width of the pavement?

I don't know what kind of weird hovel you live in, but I suggest you move.

Pheasantsmate · 13/02/2024 13:59

noonesproblem · 13/02/2024 13:58

That's literally never happened.

Again, the problem is dog populations are not moderated by resource availability, like wild animals are. So there are far higher numbers of them using, and shitting, in the environment that nature would support if they were wild. Hence, loads of dog shit for kids and adults to step in, so much shit that you see if everytime you go for a walk, compared to me never actually seeing wild fox or badger shit.

Also loving the way that the solution from some is that kids need to keep to paths, but dogs don't and can shit anywhere.

No, both children and dogs should stick to the paths unless you have the landowners permission.