To think XL Bulldog ban will/is turning into a massive farace?

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To think XL Bulldog ban will/is turning into a massive farce?

Come the warmer weather as more people go out to the parks/walks/etc you will note the owners out there with unmuzzled XL dogs and mostly likely off their lead, both items are now against the law.

For any law to succeed it has to be enforced. To easily enforce the law it has to be clear and re XL dogs the law is clear as mud and the government is aware of this. As all sensible people know, we will get different cross-breeds of dogs who will be just as powerful as the XL dogs and this will be done to by-pass the law

AIBU to expect law enforcement to the letter all Bulldog-type dogs to be muzzled in public and on leads? (Those failing to do this are fined at the very least for every breach of the law)
Along with this, all dogs being on leads in public other than an enclosed/fenced area where dog owners choose to take their dogs and take a risk?

I'm very certain when Joe Public call the cops when witnessing a breach of the law as above where no one is at immediate risk, a call to the non-emergency number may not get you very far.

I am aware a dog is a man's best friend and I have witnessed this many times when out seeing clients when I worked. I felt uncomfortable with dogs but certain breeds are more passive and will just slowly approach you stand there for you to say hi, and possibly a small pat on the dog

I am also of the view that all lawbreakers who are owners of dogs should be fined at the very least and if their dog attacks another human or another dog, a mandatory jail term must be available.

Honestly, I feel for the dogs even though a lot of dogs make me feel uncomfortable, the cause is often the owner lacking the intelligence to control it or read or acknowledge the fact not everyone is comfortable with dogs.

You used to be more subtle

But yes OP, I agree with your point that unless the law is enforced it just becomes a farce

Perhaps if the police had more power, joe public would take more notice of laws. For example if the penalty was the dog is instantly shot dead for being off the lead/unmuzzled, then they might have a bit more about them to follow the rules. How many xl bully attacks have to happen. If im on the park with my kids and some chav walks on with the xl bully, thats it were out of there. Also, if a dog attacks, regardless of breed, it should be put down and owners charged.

I'm not a fan of the police being armed in the UK

I'm absolutely not a fan of the Police going round randomly shooting dogs in front of goodness knows who including small children etc in the UK

Unless you mean the dog is removed and then put down?

It's already taken many xl bullys off the streets so far, so that's a win as far as I am concerned.

To be clear, because the deleted posts have moved into a wierd order on my screen, the first line of my first response is not to the OP but to the deleted poster!

You'll probably find most of the attacks we hear about now are unregistered dogs.

Yes but that sort of goes to the OPs point though I think?

If no one is actively enforcing the laws around this then its far easier for unregistered dogs to go both unmuzzled and unnoticed

A whole ton of XL bully owners went through the paperwork etc and exempted their dogs.

The uk police force is already a farce. Our house was burgled and it took them 3 days to come even though I was alone with small kids and was in the house at the time. All we got was a crime number. Look at the percentage of rapes that are actually brought to court. XL bullies are an emotive subject but it's a system
level failure of policing.

XL bullies aren't actually a breed. They need to be identified by a number of characteristics decided by the gov. And sometimes dog that you wouldn't expect end up included in those characteristics.

So police could never intervene/shoot a dog on the spot. It's not always possible for vets to agree whether a dog is an XL bully.

a farace?

About 30k registered and about 20k not registered if I recall correctly but different figures o different sites

Being registered does not guarantee they will muzzle dog in public, but on the whole they will but then there is the bit about keeping them on a lead, lot to go wrong

We all need to be aware that people will play around the rules to get a new breed in that is equally strong and designed to hunt. Often from what I have seen myself when going around in my car is people uses them to show off and at times use the poor dogs as a weapon

I think some people and some areas in the UK have gone feral and nobody is able to put a stop to it. Just as some people are happy to drive around with no licence, insurance, MOT etc. so there are people who just ignore the law when it comes to other issues, like these dogs. They know they can get away with it. I don't know how this issue will ever be resolved.

How do you know there are "20k unregistered?" I mean, how does anyone know how many there are?

Of course she doesn't know. Just hot air.

Article about unregistered XL dogs

See link below

David Martin, group animal welfare adviser for IVC Evidensia, a veterinary chain, told MPs in September that there were at least 5,000 XL Bully dogs registered at the company’s practices, which accounts for around 10 per cent of UK vets.
On this basis, he estimated the total XL Bully population to be at least 50,000. Some experts, however, believe there could be more than 100,000 – with a particular concentration in the North of England.

inews.co.uk/news/xl-bully-dogs-exempt-ban-2871244

In general, Perhaps its time for dog licences to come into force. Licence to breed. Licence to own, all need up to date injections, microchips, mandatory dog training classes. It needs tightening up. Owners responsible for attacks etc

People won't comply though and there's no punishment.

No one will comply but can have additional charges if the dog attacks. So no immediate change I’d expect but maybe a slow drip as little nips / close shaves become real chargeable offences.

It will take a while but numbers of them will gradually reduce as the existing ones die and aren't replaced as breeding and sales are illegal. There will still be some about as with pit bulls but mainly owned by criminals not ordinary people. Come back in ten years and numbers will be down by 95%

The idiots drawn to the Fighting breed type of dog will never buy a licence.. those who have exempted their XL Pit crosses are at least the more 'responsible' ones.

Licences will be paid by the decent owners, but the dysfunctional idiots who want an aggressive dog wouldn't bother.

By the time their brute has killed someone , it's too late.

A ban on selling dogs online might help...those awful selling sites and Farcebook ads offering dogs for sale need shutting down.

I have the opinion that if a dog harms someone and medical treatment is needed, or the person harmed dies, then the law should treat it as if the dog owner inflicted the injury or caused the death themselves.

Regardless of breed.

In general, Perhaps its time for dog licences to come into force. Licence to breed. Licence to own, all need up to date injections, microchips, mandatory dog training classes.

Not that many years ago, dog licences were required. However, became impossible to enforce, so dropped. But as other pps have said, those who should register/train/care for their dog(s) are those who are unlikely to
Unfortunately, they often have children too