To think XL Bulldog ban will/is turning into a massive farace?

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To think XL Bulldog ban will/is turning into a massive farce?

Come the warmer weather as more people go out to the parks/walks/etc you will note the owners out there with unmuzzled XL dogs and mostly likely off their lead, both items are now against the law.

For any law to succeed it has to be enforced. To easily enforce the law it has to be clear and re XL dogs the law is clear as mud and the government is aware of this. As all sensible people know, we will get different cross-breeds of dogs who will be just as powerful as the XL dogs and this will be done to by-pass the law

AIBU to expect law enforcement to the letter all Bulldog-type dogs to be muzzled in public and on leads? (Those failing to do this are fined at the very least for every breach of the law)
Along with this, all dogs being on leads in public other than an enclosed/fenced area where dog owners choose to take their dogs and take a risk?

I'm very certain when Joe Public call the cops when witnessing a breach of the law as above where no one is at immediate risk, a call to the non-emergency number may not get you very far.

I am aware a dog is a man's best friend and I have witnessed this many times when out seeing clients when I worked. I felt uncomfortable with dogs but certain breeds are more passive and will just slowly approach you stand there for you to say hi, and possibly a small pat on the dog

I am also of the view that all lawbreakers who are owners of dogs should be fined at the very least and if their dog attacks another human or another dog, a mandatory jail term must be available.

Honestly, I feel for the dogs even though a lot of dogs make me feel uncomfortable, the cause is often the owner lacking the intelligence to control it or read or acknowledge the fact not everyone is comfortable with dogs.

Yes laws need to be properly enforced - all laws. It's not just dog laws that are being ignored because there is no one to enforce them.

No, banning breeds is never really going to be effective, because of all the flaws already pointed out. Not least, because enquiries into Cane Corsos are now on a significant increase... so guess what type of dog comes next.

Greater controls over owners has to be the way forward - under a licence scheme or similar. Maybe with weight classifications so you can be qualified to own a dog up to 10kg, 20kg, 30kg etc. With each stage requiring proof you know more and more about dog behaviour, training methods, your legal responsibilities and potential issues with breeding and temperament etc.

Compliance and enforments will remain an issue, however. Though with a better thought out legal framework maybe rates can be improved? In a similar way to driving licence compliance.

My SIL was contacted to prove her dog wasn't an XL bully. Dog is an alsation/rottie Cross and about half the size of an XL bully and about as much aggression in her as a mouse. Looks absolutely nothing like a bully breed. And yes the police can't enforce and thats a policing problem not a dog one. They're rubbish IMO/E (I worked for them for years). Law abiding folk won't be anything to do with it , and those who break the law won't care.

and if a person owns a dog that attacks someone they should be banned from ever owning another dog.

Cane Corsos aren’t fighting dogs though and weren’t bred as such. They were working, herding and hunting dogs. They weren’t bred for fight to the death aggression.
Some dogs need to be banned because licensing won’t stop them killing people. Breeders do need to be licensed.
All of this is pretty useless without some enforcement.

You’re right OP and banning the breed was never going to be effective. Tougher sanctions on breeders and owners is needed, I’d also agree with a dog license and mandatory training to own a dog, I believe they have something similar to this in Germany. Online sale of animals would have to be completely prohibited and treated as a black market with tough sentences.

I have dogs, I love dogs, I wouldn’t have an XL bully myself but the monstrous killer ones have been created by humans. The dogs aren’t the source of the issue, people are. The XL bully is actually a mixed breed that’s only been in existence for about 10 years, and bred largely by people with no idea about ethical dog breeding or health/behaviour testing. Sadly they did become a status symbol for people who wanted a dog as a weapon, and were often “trained“ with violence. No wonder so many attacked when that’s how they were raised. I agree something needed to be done but find and jail the breeders. Until a proper crackdown on backyard breeding happens they’ll just keep creating monsters.

Often it's W⚓️s who have been banned and are banned who have these aggressive breeds.
Drawn to them like a fly to a turd.

They get off on fighting breeds.
The English Bull Terrier that attacked my friends little children in a street yeas ago was from a banned owner.

A TV programme showing Pits taken from deplorable conditions showed banned owners - horrible, shouty aggressive people with dogs kept in filth.

Dogs on council estates..a programme said that owning an aggressive dog gives 'Kudos'

Cane Corso..seen a couple, one was owned by what one would think might be a ''Usual suspect'', but the young man was training his dog to be gentle with other dogs.
I was impressed by his care.

Cane Corso's {Corsi?} aren't as dog aggressive as XL Bullies from what I have seen..might be wrong though.

@TedMullins they've actually been about since the 80/90s

You, me and almost everyone else knows that this law will not be enforced properly and the fact those that are hell bent on keeping powerful dogs that at times cant even control, will move on to another type of dog

The solution is simple. Enforce the law and muzzle all dogs in public and make them wear a short lead, failing to do that is a fine and repeat offenders risk jail or being banned from keeping a dog. Where the dog attacks another adult/child, the owners must go to prison.

Politicians put themselves first as it is clear, if they put the public first, they would have made the new laws much stronger and enforce them to the letter.

Yep, another on the list of laws never enforced. Look round the world to see what they've done, everything from licensing to education to limiting certain breeds or sizes and when you speak to someone local, turns out it is never enforced so is ignored. What has made a difference is that in a years time there won't be 7-8 × as many as there are now. A ridiculously high percentage of bully owners intended to breed, mainly for pretty colours and extra muscle, stuff health and welfare. No doubt some underground breeding will go on and the scum will move onto even worse animals but if every bitch had 2 litters of 8 a year...doesn't bare thinking about.

I'm hoping for the next pandemic to solely target selfish sods, we could scrap half the laws if everybody was always responsible and respectful!

You are right about laws not enforced and I bang on about it 24/7.

This is one of the reasons I do not fall into the trap of the politician's lies re promisies.

I've said it many times, dont create laws that won't be enforced or rarely enforced as it makes a mockery of them

What people can do is, if they feel safe, take a picture, video and send it to the police and demand action and give it to the papers and tell the papers they will take responsibility if they publish the mush of the lawbreakers.

So many jokers turn up their noses at 'zero tolerance,' no wonder England is in the mess it is

The media needs to pull them up

look at London - idiots police bashing 24/7. Yes, the police do neeed to be pulled up for unfair practice but to me it seems to many police officers are too fearful to act rightly so, EG, Police arrest a loud-mouthed useless person and soon as the police even touch them they start crying they are being unfairly treated and all the mobiles phones come out to record the last bit but not what happened before that

Just a thought. Can you report breeders for tax evasion? I suppose that’s a breeding deterrent. Although maybe they are paying taxes (realistically I’d say not)

You could.. but be sure to report the people that also breed all sorts of other dogs too.
Or do you just want to focus on XL bullys?

Those of us who live in less than ideal areas of the country, were backyard breeding is an issue, would be outraged if policing concentrated on investigating tax evasion of said breeders. We are surrounded by ignored crime, including sexual offerenders and pedophiles. Just licence breeding and enforce the law.

There isn't enough Police to enforce it. They have barely any budget, are even using old armed police vehicles as there cars aren't being replaced. A lot of their time is also taken up with paperwork.

Dog breeding is licensed, you can't breed more than two litters per year. It makes zero difference to the back yard breeders. It just makes it harder for proper kennel club show dog and working dog breeders who are the people that you actually want to buy a puppy from.

I mean you can't breed more than 2 litters a year without a license.

Just want to add. I cant do it alone, please do call the cops, report them, take pics/video only IF SAFE to do so.

Come the warmer weather, we will all see many with a smirk on their face out and about with their dog unmuzzled and off the leash

Even if these types of dogs are on a lead, the vast majority of people with these dogs I've seen could not manage a small dog, never mind one that is this strong.

We are all at risk, so please do report. I will and I will refuse to give my name and an alternative reporting method is via Crimestoppers if you know where the lawbreakers live. You can report annonymsoly
via Crimestoppers

Yes I’d focus on all dog breeders taking the piss out of their dogs by making them have litter after litter for financial gain.

BUT I’d also focus on xl bullies because they are a horrible breed that needs to die out.

EXACTLY THIS is the reason I want ALL dogs muzzeld and the new, impotent law is a naffing FARCE

Warning, if you are an animal lover, viewer discretion is required as big dog, not a XL drags its owner across a wide road then proceeds to attack another ladies little dog.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13086977/Moment-pensioners-Jack-Russell-killed-attack-street-Mastiff-dog.html

@DistinguishedSocialCommenator Wankers are drawn to aggressive types of dog- and the mauler dogs are always targeting small pet dogs minding their own business.

I have a well behaved well mannered 10.5 kg dog and if muzzling was law, I’d happily comply.

Lots of dogs accept a well fitting muzzle - And f one has a non mauler breed the muzzles are light and fit the face well allowing for panting and drinking and vomiting-
Plenty of dogs wear muzzles because they scavenge, or like Lurchers play roughly with each other where a tooth an catch thin skin.

Whippet lure coursing dogs are muzzled under laws of lure coursing.

Absolutely, all dogs should be treated the same. I had a boxer (had him before my child). Had the child but although the dog was as soft as, there was no way i trusted them alone. Always kept them separate if i nipped upstairs for the loo. Its a dog at the end of the day

If it were the case that non-compliant Pitbull type dogs were shot on sight by the police the owners of said dogs would respond by obtaining firearms themselves. They will do anything to defend their precious creatures.
(Or rather to defend their massive fragile egos which they have invested in said creatures)

Shoot them too 🤣

@Gloriosaford Does seem to be a certain type of person drawn to mauler types of dog.

Someone confident and self assured tends to go for friendly types- They don’t need a Mauler type dog to hide behind.

It’s fragile ego and insecurity.
Not all large dogs are maulers.
Greyhounds are large, Danes too and Wolfhounds, but generally gentle dogs.

Sadly that would make martyrs out of them, a new religion would spring up with the xl bully as the chief deity🤦🏼‍♀️