To think XL Bulldog ban will/is turning into a massive farace?

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To think XL Bulldog ban will/is turning into a massive farce?

Come the warmer weather as more people go out to the parks/walks/etc you will note the owners out there with unmuzzled XL dogs and mostly likely off their lead, both items are now against the law.

For any law to succeed it has to be enforced. To easily enforce the law it has to be clear and re XL dogs the law is clear as mud and the government is aware of this. As all sensible people know, we will get different cross-breeds of dogs who will be just as powerful as the XL dogs and this will be done to by-pass the law

AIBU to expect law enforcement to the letter all Bulldog-type dogs to be muzzled in public and on leads? (Those failing to do this are fined at the very least for every breach of the law)
Along with this, all dogs being on leads in public other than an enclosed/fenced area where dog owners choose to take their dogs and take a risk?

I'm very certain when Joe Public call the cops when witnessing a breach of the law as above where no one is at immediate risk, a call to the non-emergency number may not get you very far.

I am aware a dog is a man's best friend and I have witnessed this many times when out seeing clients when I worked. I felt uncomfortable with dogs but certain breeds are more passive and will just slowly approach you stand there for you to say hi, and possibly a small pat on the dog

I am also of the view that all lawbreakers who are owners of dogs should be fined at the very least and if their dog attacks another human or another dog, a mandatory jail term must be available.

Honestly, I feel for the dogs even though a lot of dogs make me feel uncomfortable, the cause is often the owner lacking the intelligence to control it or read or acknowledge the fact not everyone is comfortable with dogs.

The ban isn’t worth the paper it’s written on and it’s becoming very obvious. Unless there’s an active threat police are not engaging, not sure whether they have been instructed to do this or not, but that’s what is happening at least where we are.

As an example, we were sat outside a coffee shop at the beach on Saturday and 2 lads were also sat there with 2 XL Bully’s, no muzzles, 1 was off lead the other on lead. Someone had obviously reported them as about 5 mins after they sat down 2 policemen appeared and walked straight over to them, lots of people watching thinking there could be a bit of drama, but no! The policemen just told the lads the dogs need muzzles and leads on if out in public, the lads just said ah okay no bother we’ll get that sorted, policemen thanked them and moved on. Not even any details taken so no follow up or anything to be done.

Personally I don’t particularly agree with the ban but it just goes to show that it’s certainly not the magic cure people thought it was going to be. For as long as anyone can buy and raise a dog there will always be dog attacks.

Surprise surprise.
The feckless wazzocks drawn to these maulers have now been dumping the ones imported from England.

Just shows how they don't like the dog to dump it.

A responsible owner would not be dumping their dog.

This type of dog should never have been created.

Too heavy and stubborn to be easy to manage, too destructive, too much of a liability once they can't be bred back to back with a sister or brother and sold via glumtree or farcebook.

https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/xl-bullies-abandoned-scottish-parks-ban-chaos-row-2905910

Trust me, most of the oes I've seen talk big with a big dog, but facing good police officers who take no BS, these big dog owners soon poo their pants,

Credit to those who have registered their dogs and I'm hopig they will follow the rules re muzzel ad on short lead.

However, as I said in my OP, many fo these big dogs take their owners for a walk and the link just shows most people can't control their dog - so god forbid if they attack you, your child or your pet.

Trust me, these types soon lie on the floor shouting "I surrender, I surrender, I've done nothing...you are hurting me..." when met with force. I saw it first hand as I used to visit a couple of London Boroughs and saw it firsthand.

"I surrender, I surrender, I've done nothing...you are hurting me..."
@DistinguishedSocialCommenator they actually enunciated those words, and followed grammatical rules sufficiently that they were intelligible?!

but facing good police officers who take no BS
do we have those though? The impression I have is that the police dont do anything much😕

Yes....

This is what's so wrong... Some people's irresponsible choice of dog can have serious repercussions for innocent people and their pets.

These mutants cannot be held back or restrained by the owners who turn out to be useless when their mutt attacks.
They like to ''Big themselves up'' like the fool who owned the two that mauled to death Ian Price, but in reality that have zero control. {Pic}

The owner of these bragged about how unpleasant one of these looked.

Which stupid bastard thought that only XL dogs were a danger and not the other tens of thousands of look alike, as strong dogs that often take their owner for a walk?

Look at it like this, most of us knew how dangerous these dogs are, yet it took the government years after many attacks by these XL and deaths.

The Tories rant "law and order" and yet it is just that, a rant by the Tory lot and empty promises by evey other political party/group.

Sadly, it will take many more deaths of humans and at time young ones, before these idiots in power try to act again

Anyone with more than half a brain cell can see that a lot of these bully-type dags cant be controlled by those the own them

I saw a young lad walking one today. Off lead, no muzzle. Just walking along the pavement as though he owned it. This ban hasn't made the slightest jot of difference to the majority of twats that own them.

Shooting a dog that has shown no sign of aggression instantly if unmuzzled is idiotic. I saw a homeless man today who had a bully (which was muzzled, on the lead and calm). How would the owner fed his dog if it was under the threat of being shot if it was unmuzzled for 5 mins so it could eat?

Sounds like a him problem to be honest.

Thank you

We live in what I would describe as a nice area as we bought our home here and would not have if we did not like it.

When we go for a walk by the river, about 10/15 min walk from our house, there are flats around that area and the area has been attracting types with dog (off leashy, no muzzel and worst of all at the time leaving their dog mess behind) or they come down i a car and take their dog/s for a walk and often leave their dog shit behind. It is there we see these types of dogs and to me, almost all bully-type dogs had the real potential to easily injure adults and easily kill children and the mid to bigger ones could kill an adult.

Over the years, I've seen quiet a few times where the dog is dragging the owner along when they have a lead on it. A few times I've seen parents/mum/dad with child telling the owner not to let the dog near their children

The stupid fool who thought of the XL ban needs to be asked - what the difference between the XL's and other large and mid-sized bulldog-type dogs.

As the police said, please help them and report people who have not registered their XL dog ad or off muzzle/lead.

Aslo email the local MP and demand action re all strong dogs that have the potential to kill/injure people and demand all dogs are muzzled in public and if new laws are made, they need to be enforced

@DistinguishedSocialCommenator Mum lives close to Richmond Park- since lockdown many more dogs of course.
No one locally has a Bully or “Thug type dog”of any type that we have seen ( it’s spaniels, Whippets and poodles and the ubiquitous Labrador, but as you say people drive into the park with these brutes.
A little innocent dog was blinded by an XL B in a car park , and it’s owners drove off.
A classic “Pit and run .

The legislation goes too far for the XL bully owners who don’t think their baby would hurt a fly and is suffering persecution wearing a muzzle, it doesn’t go far enough for people who want XL bully’s eradicated and cannot practically be fully enforced in all circumstances.

As a vet, I think the law is not perfect but is relatively measured and will hopefully cut off the market for these dogs and change perceptions in many normal households/families who have been sold this Nanny Dog lie, when many breeding lines of these dogs do trace back to some aggressive individuals. It won’t stop every incident and some people will still break the law (as they do with illegal vehicles, weapons, imported exotic pets etc) but across the board it will reduce numbers in circulation and give police more powers where dogs are reported or seized. The importation, illegal fertility treatment and breeding of these dogs was also often linked to organised crime, with ordinary/vulnerable people fostering dogs and being left with the bill for caesareans etc. The law means that dogs cannot be bred in the U.K. and should mean they can’t be bred overseas and brought in on passports etc either. It is definitely a big step in the right direction, while on the other side, no one needs to have a nice family pet put to sleep if they comply fully with the rules.

Thank you a brilliant post. The law may be in the right direction but lacks teeth, pardoning my pun.

The law is also an ass as the bloody idiots that make them can't see past aa XL dog bieign dangerous and are ignorant to the fact that many other big bully type dogs can easily kill adults and or seriously mame, and the vulnerable/frail children are at a greater danger.

Please, report to the cops again and again until they act. Those not obeying the law must be locked up as this is the only law some understand.

Importantly, a dog, any dog attacking a human or someone's dog, the owner should be charged as if they had carried out the attack. Trust me, many more may take a bit more care about muzzling their dog/s and on a short lead.

There should also be a fitness test for a licence, and physical fitness to see who is taking who for a walk, IE is it the dog taking the owner for a walk or...

More attacks by strong dogs - you decide

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13097033/Horror-XL-Bully-mauls-horse-cart-savage-attack.html

Disgusting dog type and repugnant cowardly owner.
The poor mare had her nipples torn off and the Scrote removed the vile mutt’s muzzle?

Sincerely hope the shitty dog and owner are found and dealt with.
In USA a shitbull breeder has just been eaten and mauled to death by his mutants.

People must email/speak to their MP's and tell them to get off their backsides and put some teeth into these new dog laws to include all dogs in public to be muzzled and on a lead

All dogs don't need to be muzzled in public. 🙄

Though I am appalled the the police aren't taking this case seriously and trying to prosecute the dog owners for having a dangerously out of control dog and ignoring the new rules for XL bullies.

Not all dogs need muzzling in public..but these horrible aggressive Bully breeds do. They have 'form' for attacking innocent horses as well as other pets, not to mention children and older humans.

A once Pro-pit woman {USA , a vet} was put off Pits after seeing too many attacks on innocent animals.

This horse was attacked out of the blue- received multiple lacerations...the brute just kept attacking.

I am pretty sure that a homeless person would not have an XL Bully, as you need to have them registered to an address.

There is a vet nurse that on MN that often posts on dog threads here, and she said they had an XL brought in to be PTS as it's owner was homeless, so could not apply for an exemption.

Maybe they registered the dog to a friend's address or to a hostel? TBH I have no idea as I didn't speak to the man with the dog.

The two dogs (pitbulls?) that got shot in London, Marshall and Millions, owned by a man banned from owning dogs. I know someone who lived where they roamed. People cats and dogs had been attacked on several occasions by them, the police knew him and the dogs. And what do the pitnutters do, set up petitions and hunt down the police who did their job by shooting dogs who were a serious risk to life to the public.

We need to get off this merry-go-round of creating new laws nobody has the time or inclination to enforce

The police need to do what they are paid to do. Arrest such people. No excuse for failing to do what they are paid to do should be accepted.
Then the courts should hand down a decent sentance.

Thank you

The "merry-go-round" sadly applies to many crimes.

I've always said, that laws, old and new, have no point in having them if they are not going to be properly enforced.