Page 9 | XL Bully attack | 8 year old boy seriously injured

ThisOldThang · 2024-02-11T09:05:21+00:00

[[https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/schoolboy-8-seriously-injured-after-28610020 https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/schoolboy-8-seriously-injured-after-28610020]] "A schoolboy is in a serious condition in hospital after being mauled by what is believed to be an XL bully. Merseyside Police were called to Wadham Road in Bootle just after 5.20pm on Saturday following reports a dog had bitten an eight-year-old boy to the head in the communal area of flats nearby. The boy was rushed to hospital with serious head injuries and required emergency surgery. He remains in hospital in a serious but stable condition." IMHO the ban doesn't go anywhere near far enough and all XL Bullys need to be put to sleep. AIBU?

crumblingschools · 11/02/2024 16:14

I thought the grandmother was trying to separate the puppies as they were fighting.

OhmygodDont · 11/02/2024 16:14

She wasn’t poking puppies with a broom. She was trying to separate fighting puppies with a broom as she was told to do by the owners.

Presumably because they would likely
bite any hand getting between them.

Let’s not blame someone who was killed for trying to break up a fight between animals then the animals where in fact illegal anyway.

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 11/02/2024 16:15

@Itslegitimatesalvage the woman was supposedly splitting up a fight between the puppies.

Winter2020 · 11/02/2024 16:16

todayshappening · 11/02/2024 11:06

As an XL bully owner seeing this again saddens me. There’s a definite correlation between XL bully + irresponsible owner = dangerous dog. I know of a number of well looked after, well trained bullies who are so well behaved and none aggressive it shows how good a dog they can be.
BSL doesn’t work. Licence and background checks. It’s not difficult. If you want a shotgun or any other type of firearm you need to meet a certain criteria. Why not the same if you want a dog over a certain size and weight. The current ban is just a knee jerk reaction by a failing government to try and look like they’re doing something.

How do you think a background check of the owner is going to overcome the dogs genetic instinct to attack and kill? Those instincts are in the dog. It is what the breed was made to do. No amount of the owner being an upstanding member of the community can remove that instinct and when the dogs attack no owner is strong enough to stop it. Hitting the dog with spades doesn't stop it.

These dogs are not safe to be in our communities whoever owns them. I only wish it were possible for attacks to be restricted to the owners that have chose to buy them and so I assume are happy to take a chance. I don't consent to that chance being taken with my family/children or my community. Sadly it seems to be the innocent (children, neighbours, visitors) that are the victims more often than not.

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 11/02/2024 16:20

You'll probably all be pleased to know that two XLs were put to sleep at my vets last week.

Two young friendly boys brought in by the dog warden because there were no legal options available for them, so we gave them treats and played with them for a short while before they were put to sleep.

On the whole I love my job but some days at work are utterly shit.

There's an ovcharka booked in for a procedure this coming week. He'd probably give you all a heart attack but he's as good as gold.

PlipPlopChoo · 11/02/2024 16:21

I completely agree.

People are not allowed to keep large cats as pets so why these bloody massive dogs?

Emotionalsupportviper · 11/02/2024 16:21

Devilshands · 11/02/2024 13:35

There isn't an answer.

However, everyone has the right to have a dog. But that doesn't mean people don't have a responsibility to ensure they have a dog that is appropriate for them and their circumstances.

Ultimately, the responsibility to ensuring that the right people have dogs rests with the individuals themselves (but it's the thicko's that are the problem, because they will get the 'hardest' dog they can and there's no educating someone with the brain the size of a goldfish') and breeders.

However, breeders cannot always accurately judge a person based off their appearance/accent/wealth/house size/job when it comes to selling them a dog. They can do their best. But it doesn't mean they will get it right. You also can't 'profile' who is going to be a responsible dog owner and who isn't. I am sure if that was the case, then I would have been profiled into not being sold a dog. And yet, I have three well-balanced, well trained dogs that are living the best life they could possibly have.

So we are at a stalemate.

You can't educate the thickos.
You cannot profile people and refuse to sell dogs to them just because you don't like how they look/sound/walk/live.
You can't licence dogs because that's not sustainable and is too costly to implement. And no way is anyone going to support the extensive costs associated when that money could go to the NHS...
You can't increase the price of dogs to price people out the market - it just results in backyard breeders
You can't just ban all dogs other than working dogs and assistance dogs because, quite frankly, that's insane and you shouldn't punish the majority just because of a few rotten eggs.

The best anyone can do is react when a new breed emerges that is a clear risk to public safety.

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You cannot profile people and refuse to sell dogs to them just because you don't like how they look/sound/walk/live.

Oh, yes you can!

I have only ever bred one litter, but I turned down prospective buyers without a second thought if I didn't like the look of them, or thought their children were too rough.

FasterthanaButteredOtter · 11/02/2024 16:23

HangingOver · 11/02/2024 09:16

Oh god my NDN just got a pup XLB these news stories are worrying me :(

Isn't it now illegal in England and Wales to sell or rehome these now? I'm not sure of the dates. I'm in Scotland and we've had an influx which has finally forced the Scottish govt to act.

I'm a massive dog lover and have had large breeds myself but I agree, these dogs are genetic killing machines and it would be best to have them all humanely PTS now.
For everyone's safety.

EasternStandard · 11/02/2024 16:24

HangingOver · 11/02/2024 09:16

Oh god my NDN just got a pup XLB these news stories are worrying me :(

Which country are you in @HangingOver ?

Emotionalsupportviper · 11/02/2024 16:26

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 11/02/2024 16:20

You'll probably all be pleased to know that two XLs were put to sleep at my vets last week.

Two young friendly boys brought in by the dog warden because there were no legal options available for them, so we gave them treats and played with them for a short while before they were put to sleep.

On the whole I love my job but some days at work are utterly shit.

There's an ovcharka booked in for a procedure this coming week. He'd probably give you all a heart attack but he's as good as gold.

I met an ovcharka a couple of years ago - now those are BIG dogs! I gave her a cuddle - she was lovely, but if any thief breaking into their home would probably be in trouble.

I do feel sorry both for the vets, and the "good" dogs - but there are so many of them and they are so unpredictable.

Too many dogs of ALL types are being irresponsibly bred. When you look at the number of puppies for sale - there can't possibly be enough good homes for them all.

bombastix · 11/02/2024 16:27

RollOnSpringDays · 11/02/2024 16:02

Yes a lot of the attacks happen in the home surroundings so the ban will make no difference to the number of attacks. I’d go one step further and put them all to sleep.

Well these responsible owners won't muzzle their dog in the home. Who is the likely victim for so called responsible owners? Friends and family who visit, and children who have no choice. These are not responsible people, they do the bare minimum.

Winter2020 · 11/02/2024 16:33

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 11/02/2024 16:20

You'll probably all be pleased to know that two XLs were put to sleep at my vets last week.

Two young friendly boys brought in by the dog warden because there were no legal options available for them, so we gave them treats and played with them for a short while before they were put to sleep.

On the whole I love my job but some days at work are utterly shit.

There's an ovcharka booked in for a procedure this coming week. He'd probably give you all a heart attack but he's as good as gold.

It is a sad situation but the blame does not lie with the people on this thread asking for the dogs to be euthanised in the name of safety. The blame doesn't lie with the dogs that are animals following their nature and instincts. The blame lies firmly with the people that bred and bought such dangerous dogs with no consideration to the safety of our communities - so I suggest you take your "You'll be pleased to know" comment and post it on a site for people that buy or breed XL bullies. They haven't been bred to die for my benefit. If I had my choice they would not have been conceived or born and as such would not need to be euthanised.

Medusaismyhero · 11/02/2024 16:38

Whilst I agree we've got to the point where a complete cull of XL bullies needs to happen (though it hurts my heart to say that), we need to follow any cull with much, much stricter laws on dog ownership. Idiots should not be allowed to own dogs because ALL dogs are deadly in the wrong hands.

Getting rid of every XL bully in the UK won't stop dog attacks. The idiots who use dogs as penis extensions will move on to destroy another breed/sub type of dog with equally devastating results.

Whenwillitgetwarm · 11/02/2024 16:46

All bull breeds should be banned. There’s no need for them at all. Any found without a muzzle should be removed and all should be neutered.

I used to be a dog lover, and still like them but there are just too many nowadays. I’ve just come back from a kids playground and there were three people walking with dogs around the playground despite a sign saying ‘no dogs’.

Dog ownership had become too fashionable and has gotten out of hand. Hoping the fashion wanes very quickly.

todayshappening · 11/02/2024 16:52

@Winter2020 where are you getting your information from? American bully's we're not bred to kill and attack. The dogs that have killed are not proper bred American bully's and were neglect and abused by humans. Proper American bully's don't have those traits.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 11/02/2024 16:56

Whenwillitgetwarm · 11/02/2024 16:46

All bull breeds should be banned. There’s no need for them at all. Any found without a muzzle should be removed and all should be neutered.

I used to be a dog lover, and still like them but there are just too many nowadays. I’ve just come back from a kids playground and there were three people walking with dogs around the playground despite a sign saying ‘no dogs’.

Dog ownership had become too fashionable and has gotten out of hand. Hoping the fashion wanes very quickly.

I agree. All bull breeds and all large dogs (GSDs, Rottweilers, Dobermans, Cane Corsos and the like) should all be heavily controlled and phased out.

todayshappening · 11/02/2024 16:57

For all those know nothing of the breed. But think they do from a few news articles. Educate yourself.

redboots765 · 11/02/2024 17:00

Nightowl1234 · 11/02/2024 15:20

Have you reported them?

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No, how would I report them? I live in a tiny village, people come here to walk their dogs. I have no idea where they live/who they are. They may walk from a neighbouring village, they may arrive by car? Plus I haven't seen them since the muzzle rules came in. This is not an area you expect to see an XL Bully. It's gun dogs and posh wellies.

pasteloblong · 11/02/2024 17:00

todayshappening · 11/02/2024 16:57

For all those know nothing of the breed. But think they do from a few news articles. Educate yourself.

Oh for goodness sake, Mrs boob woman runs a dog advocacy channel and is heavily pro dog. She doesn't give out accurate non biased information. One of her videos shows her cuddling two xl Bulldogs.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 11/02/2024 17:01

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 11/02/2024 16:20

You'll probably all be pleased to know that two XLs were put to sleep at my vets last week.

Two young friendly boys brought in by the dog warden because there were no legal options available for them, so we gave them treats and played with them for a short while before they were put to sleep.

On the whole I love my job but some days at work are utterly shit.

There's an ovcharka booked in for a procedure this coming week. He'd probably give you all a heart attack but he's as good as gold.

I really don’t care about these dogs being put down. It’s pest control.

But as someone’s said, tell your woes to the XLs’ cheerleaders, not us. Nobody who objects to these appalling dogs deserves to be lectured about the hardships of veterinary practice.

Winter2020 · 11/02/2024 17:03

todayshappening · 11/02/2024 16:52

@Winter2020 where are you getting your information from? American bully's we're not bred to kill and attack. The dogs that have killed are not proper bred American bully's and were neglect and abused by humans. Proper American bully's don't have those traits.

"American bully's we're not bred to kill and attack."

...Well they are doing a pretty good job of doing it anyway.
One death and two significant/hospitalising attacks in the last week isn't it?

Re the discussion above I would rather "play with and then put down" 2 bully XLs as per the vet/vet assistant above 100 times over than have to nurse and try to put back together the face on the child that has just been attacked. Where are your priorities?

HashBrownandBeans · 11/02/2024 17:04

SurferRona · 11/02/2024 15:18

Cane corsos, like other mastiffs or molossars are a recognised breed. They have already come under the previous dangerous dogs act and the latest exclusion ban description of XL bullies doesn’t apply to them (same as Rotties, English, Neapolitan mastiffs etc). @Bruisername Cane Corsos are not aggressive, they are protective guard dogs rather like GSDs, livestock guardians and rotties. Very different lineage (are breed established for 100s of years) and breeding purposes than XL bullies. It’s not a reasoned comparison.

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You are very much mistaken. The legislation states that only kennel club recognised breeds are safe from the ban. Until the Cane Corso is recognised, if it meets the measurements, it could easily be seized.

XL Bully attack | 8 year old boy seriously injured

Whoopaday · 11/02/2024 17:05

To everyone saying they should all be PTS, and I agree, there was a deleted thread that may or may not have been a troll, but the OP was upset that they were putting her partners XLB to sleep as they had a baby and couldn’t risk it and couldn’t give it away. The majority of MN response was to call her a murderer! Bonkers

CagneyAndLazy · 11/02/2024 17:06

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 11/02/2024 16:20

You'll probably all be pleased to know that two XLs were put to sleep at my vets last week.

Two young friendly boys brought in by the dog warden because there were no legal options available for them, so we gave them treats and played with them for a short while before they were put to sleep.

On the whole I love my job but some days at work are utterly shit.

There's an ovcharka booked in for a procedure this coming week. He'd probably give you all a heart attack but he's as good as gold.

Yes, I'm pleased to know. The more the better, frankly.

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 11/02/2024 17:06

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 11/02/2024 17:01

I really don’t care about these dogs being put down. It’s pest control.

But as someone’s said, tell your woes to the XLs’ cheerleaders, not us. Nobody who objects to these appalling dogs deserves to be lectured about the hardships of veterinary practice.

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Why should she? It's not her fault that she's been put in the position of having to put down two healthy young dogs of a banned breed. Can you not sympathise with somebody who works at a vets having to do that?

VeterinaryCareAssistant was a bit clumsy with the 'it will please you to know', because most people are not pleased, they're sad at the situation, but that doesn't mean that the vet staff aren't deserving of empathy at having to do something that goes against what they're in business for.

It's not pest control. That would be if the thick-wits who breed/buy these dogs were rounded up. That is what's necessary because it is they who will latch onto another breed, bastardise it and ruin that one too.