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Landlord being an arse

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landlordstress · 10/02/2024 16:48

Very long story as short as possible:

We have lived in our current home (privately rented) since April 2020. House is relatively old (1920s build, Victorian style), so lots of things have started to go wrong over the past few years. Landlord is really disinterested in any repairs that have arisen. We've had issues with the boiler (which eventually required full replacement), leaks from the bathroom into the kitchen, tiles randomly falling off in the bathroom and shattering, heavy doors randomly falling off their hinges (almost landing on my toddler and instead landed on my arm to prevent this). All repairs we've needed have generally required repeated requests to the landlord before any action has been taken. The boiler issue for example went on for around 4-5 months, breaking pretty much fortnightly in that time, before landlord eventually agreed to replace it and that was over the winter months too with a baby, so totally nightmare.

The worst problem however, has been a leak in the back porch area (which is an extension on the house), which we first brought to the landlord's attention in October 2020. I know this because I was pregnant with my now almost 3 year old at the time and was concerned about slipping on large pools of water that came through the roof into the house near the back door every time it rained. Landlord did nothing. He replied to requests to fix it with comments such as "it's only a problem when the rain is coming from a particular direction" and so on... promised to get certain treatments to try and address it, never did, etc.. just fobbing us off essentially for years.

It came to a head last year when I decided enough was enough and I was sick of almost slipping in large puddles of rain water every time it rained heavily. At this point it had gone for so long the plaster work was falling off in chunks as the rain came through into the back porch area. We were constantly sending photos and videos of this to the landlord, again, nothing done to repair. So I contacted the council in desperation. They were horrified on inspection and got in touch with him, giving him deadlines and timeframes to fix it etc.

We now have a timeframe for something being done, he's apparently told the council workmen are coming round on a date in a few weeks time to put up a scaffold. However today on the phone to my partner he stated that he didn't like that we "updated" the council every time there was an issue and it felt like "tit for tat". My partner is quite a passive person and didn't challenge this but I am FUMING at this comment.

How dare he suggest we are in a "tit for tat" game playing situation here? He has forced our hand by doing nothing about the problem for 3.5 years, and now we have someone advocating for us and giving him deadlines and consequences for not fixing the issue, he has the audacity to accuse us of playing a "tit for tat" game?!

For context this is not a cheap property, we pay £900 a month to live here. And the place isn't even watertight and hasn't been for 3.5 years. The roof where the leak is at the point of literally crumbling away. I worry the whole thing is going to collapse on my toddler's head. Since our tenancy began in April 2020 we have paid this man around 41k in rent. What the hell has he done with our money and why can't he use some of that to fix the bloody state of the place? Instead of calling my partner to imply we are doing something wrong by involving the council? I am SO angry.

AIBU to have involved the council for help?
AIBU to be fuming and to expect a watertight property for £900 a month?!!

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LittleOwl153 · 10/02/2024 17:21

Problem is now he's had to pay out to fix it he will almost certainly hike your rent and if the local rents average up to £1300 a month he can justify charging that.

I don't blame you for getting council involved but sadly I doubt it will solve more problems than it creates.

landlordstress · 10/02/2024 17:23

@LittleOwl153

We'll be out before the end of the year anyway so he can do what he likes with the rent.

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Sneez · 10/02/2024 17:24

If you have been looking to move for a year without success, does this mean your LL is renting to you for under market rates locally? I couldn’t live like this and it’s not worth the stress, I’d widen your search tbh and just move

landlordstress · 10/02/2024 17:26

Sneez · 10/02/2024 17:24

If you have been looking to move for a year without success, does this mean your LL is renting to you for under market rates locally? I couldn’t live like this and it’s not worth the stress, I’d widen your search tbh and just move

We are looking to move around 8 miles away to a different part of the city, where rents are higher as it's nicer, more sought after area. There are good reasons for us wanting to be on that side of the city which I'm not going into now because it's not relevant. But the amount we are paying now for where we live is average and the correct market rate.

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TheSnowyOwl · 10/02/2024 17:34

I predict he will either decide against going ahead and getting the licence (which does mean evicting you because he isn’t able to rent) or he will increase the rent to cover the costs (and still possibly evict you anyway).

Friendofdennis · 10/02/2024 17:36

You were right to involve the council. You had been patient enough and given him plenty of opportunity to fix the problem. We once had an issue like this and it caused me to fall whilst carrying my baby. When I asked the landlord to make the house habitable she issued a revenge eviction. Thankfully I think revenge evictions are no longer legal Also though as you rightly say it is not easy to ‘just move’ .

landlordstress · 10/02/2024 17:37

TheSnowyOwl · 10/02/2024 17:34

I predict he will either decide against going ahead and getting the licence (which does mean evicting you because he isn’t able to rent) or he will increase the rent to cover the costs (and still possibly evict you anyway).

He'll be fined 30k if he does this, so I doubt it.

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landlordstress · 10/02/2024 17:40

We were told that because he has tenants without the required licence in place, if he opts not to gain the licence, he'll end up with a hefty fine. He cannot legally evict us without that licence, either. This is what we were told by the council.

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Boomboomboomboom · 10/02/2024 17:42

Are you in Wales?
Different rules now for licensing and retaliatory eviction which are stricter than England so he probably cannot evict (probably with a non fault 6 month notice) whilst there are disrepair issues.

But if you are England the Council must have served him with a particular notice which prevents him from serving a s21 Until the work is all done.

You are 100% right to insist on repair and there is nothing tit for tat about it. He cannot understand that phrase at all if that's what he said.

Friendofdennis · 10/02/2024 17:43

Sounds as if things are working out well then in that you cannot be evicted and he will have to do the work

landlordstress · 10/02/2024 17:44

Oh and if for whatever reason he's deemed unfit to be issued with a licence as he doesn't meet the requirements, the council can then take over management of the property, so we don't get automatically evicted. We've had all this explained to us.

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landlordstress · 10/02/2024 17:44

@Boomboomboomboom
England.

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Anjea · 10/02/2024 17:46

No landlord is going to like being grassed up to the council.

MamaAlwaysknowsbest · 10/02/2024 17:48

Go on the property ladder even if you have to start with 1 bed flat.

landlordstress · 10/02/2024 17:48

Anjea · 10/02/2024 17:46

No landlord is going to like being grassed up to the council.

Yeah well no tenant is going to like paying £41k in rent over 3.5 years for a house that's been leaking rainwater in that whole time whole the landlord does the sum total of fuck all to address it 🤷‍♀️

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TheSnowyOwl · 10/02/2024 17:49

Once the work is carried out, as you are in England, your landlord can issue a Section 21 notice when in a rolling contract or at the end of the fixed term to evict you. They don’t need a reason to do so and they can hike up your rent to make it unaffordable as well. You might have got the Council to do the work but it might not work out long term for you. You also will absolutely need a reference from the landlord and he is under no obligation to give you one - and you will struggle to rent elsewhere without one.

landlordstress · 10/02/2024 17:50

And I'd like to add, we have never, not once, withheld rent despite this issue. At its worst in our desperation for a safe and habitable home, we considered saying to him we will find a builder to make the repairs and take it back out of the rent, but instead we got the council involved to help.

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landlordstress · 10/02/2024 17:51

@TheSnowyOwl already said we aren't staying here longer term 🤷‍♀️

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NotQuiteNorma · 10/02/2024 17:51

landlordstress · 10/02/2024 16:54

Were we wrong to get the council involved though? He's implying that we are but surely he can see he's forced our hand here?? How could any reasonable person NOT see this?

Well it's not exactly going to bode for a happy relationship with your landlord going forward. You should always be very careful about council intervention. He may see you as trouble and decide not to renew your contract.

landlordstress · 10/02/2024 17:53

@NotQuiteNorma trust me it wasn't a "happy relationship" before we took the decision to involve them! He repeatedly ignored requests to repair issues, fobbed us off for months... years .... and then when I got annoyed about it around 3 years later down the phone to him, he then called me "barking mad" and hung up on me, and blocked me 🤷‍♀️Hence my partner has all contact with him from that point.

Wasn't exactly the best relationship anyway because he's a useless landlord in breach of contract.

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TheSnowyOwl · 10/02/2024 17:56

already said we aren't staying here longer term

What’s your back up when he refuses to give you a reference? And trust me, replying to a new prospective landlord to say “I am declining to give a reference” is legal and very damning.

I used to rent a property out through an agency so any work was always carried out and I just paid the bill but any suggestion of animosity with a previous landlord and the agency would tell me they were strongly advising against renting to the person concerned.

Travis1 · 10/02/2024 17:59

Only on mumsnet can it be a tenants fault that a landlords a prick 🙄

landlordstress · 10/02/2024 18:00

@TheSnowyOwl I don't know do I 🤷‍♀️
I've got enough actual problems without inventing ones that haven't happened yet and worrying about those too! First and foremost is getting a property finally after THREE AND A HALF YEARS of asking, that is watertight and safe, as per my landlord's legal obligations that he is in breach of. Beyond that, no idea other than I want out of here asap.

I'll ring my council guy on Monday and seek advice on what happens in that situation but right now I'm exhausted enough just fighting to live in a safe property tbh.

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landlordstress · 10/02/2024 18:00

Travis1 · 10/02/2024 17:59

Only on mumsnet can it be a tenants fault that a landlords a prick 🙄

Unbelievable that anyone could defend this useless arse of a LL. 🙄

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TheSnowyOwl · 10/02/2024 18:01

@Travis1 from the thread I am reading everyone is universally agreeing he sounds an arse but are pointing out the very realistic outcome for the tenants as a result of this. Not sure how you are misreading that. 🤷🏼‍♀️