Child first MMR vaccine at age 3.5 years old

[MimiDuncan]

Hi All,

did any of you had their child first MMR vaccine at age 3 or more?

if yes how it went? Were there many side effects ?

I wanted to delay my little ones as he was acting very strange after his last sets of vaccines when he was 18 months old.

He had staring spells and was blinking a lot for months and I got a fright 😔

i am honestly very nervous about this MMR.

thank you.

All mine had it.
It's fine.
You don't want measles Mumps Rubella!!

I can't advise on what you're asking but wanted to share my experience re blinking tics. DD developed a really bad one. The GP couldn't offer any reason or solution. Took her to a nutritionist as I'd read there can be a link with additives etc even though her diet was very clean. The nutritionist told us to exclude gluten. Within 7 days the tic was gone and some skin issues, frequent allergic looking rashes went too. We kept DD gluten free for about 5 years. Now at 16 she has gluten when she fancies it but not daily and the tic never returned.

In our experience gluten was the tic trigger. I'm sure there are other causes too but wanted to offer this experience in case it helped you. Strengthening the gut with a good probiotic and a rest from gluten and dairy (we weren't dairy consumers but I know for some people it's also an issue) can help improve lots of conditions. The nutritionist explained it was to do with the gut/brain axis and gluten's affect on the gut. Hope this helps.

As a children’s a+e nurse i would strongly suggest getting the vaccination asap. Measles is far more infectious than covid was and can be fatal or have devastating life long effects and cases are rising rapidly at present. Sadly now is not the time to delay as the risks of measles are so migh higher than usual. My little girl had febrile convulsions and vacant episodes and they are really scary but your gp should be able to look at the neutrophils level and reassure you it is safe to have the mmr. If it was low enough to be a concern for the vaccine then you would have been referred to an immunology/haematology extremely quickly

@MimiDuncan As someone with epilepsy, I have never heard of any links with vaccinations (none of which I recieved until I was an adult). I did almost die from measles though (my mother was an anti-vaccer). I got all my jabs as an adult which was so much worse than having them as a child. My DS is fully vaccinated.

@Commonsense22

I am no remotely antivax and dd has had all hers on schedule. I AM against paint by numbers medicine.

But what does this actually mean?

You’re in practice telling the OP to ignore professional medical advice and “trust her gut”.

The outcome of “trusting your gut” for someone who is irrationally anxious about vaccines is dangerous to that person’s children and to the wider community.

The OP’s “gut” is never going to be a sounder source of judgement than someone who has spent nearly a decade learning about medicine. Particularly because she has already demonstrated that she struggles to grasp the difference between correlation and causation.

What you are saying is highly irresponsible.

Read up on measles, mumps and rubella. I bet if people spent half as long reading about the diseases as they spend 'doing their own research' into vaccines, the uptake of jabs would be much higher than it is.

I’m assuming all of the PPs who have “done their own research” have also undertaken methodology courses or similar at degree level yes? Because otherwise you’re not researching vaccines, you’re just reading stuff on the internet. I would hope that at the most basic level you are also getting this information from credible, peer reviewed, published studies and understand the limitations of each of the studies you are reading?

@Commonsense22 as a PP stated, just because you are more intelligent than the average Joe anti vaxxer, your oh so superior, holier than thou "why wouldn't you do the research"?? attitude is still anathema to the majority of us who are responsible parents who don't want our kids to get an avoidable but deadly disease.

But, you know, you do you, hun. Stick it to da man. Fight the power. Don't be part of the sheeple and so on.

Specifically if the threat of a virus is very low, why would you sign up for a medical intervention to prevent it?

Are people really this nieve. The whole reason the threat of getting the virus is low is due to vaccination. Unless it has been completely irradiated (like small pox) then you still need to keep vaccinating, if you don't you end up in the current situation where we have more cases. To keep those safe who can't be vaccinated we need to keep the vaccination rate high. If we don't then you could end up killing someone else by passing on a virus that could kill them as well as risk being ill and suffering side effects yourself.

Although vaccination is a personal choice (some countries don't allow children into school unless vaccinated or having a medical reason why they can't have it) we should really all be doing it for the benefit of everyone.

Anything in life has risks, any medication you take could have side effects (this includes basic painkillers). But would you refuse medication that would save your life if there was a slight risk of side effects? Probably not.

I think many don't see the danger and think they will be fine. I honestly think that those who refuse vaccination for no really good reason should have to pay for treatment if they catch the prevenable illness.

Oh and to answer OP'S qestion both my children had their MMR vaccination no real side effects and both perfectly healthy. If I remeber rightly I did delay DD's by a couple of weeks as she had a horrible cold at the time. So just flet it wasn't a great idea for her to have it when actually ill.

i have explained. It is my decision to not take and if i decide at a later date to take it then the gp adds you to a catch up schedule. I find the lists a good way of keeping track so i dont miss any. Im not sure why everyone wouldnt want

@Orangelemonclemon

This is what I don't understand. You've explained the logistics of delaying a vaccine ie a GP's catch up schedule .

But you've not explained WHY you have chosen to delay/refuse a vaccine to a later date. Actually you've continually skirted it.

What would you be waiting for to take this vaccine as opposed to not putting it straight onto your NO list.

Is it an outbreak?

Tbh the whole list thing is a bit of a red herring I feel.

Actually @Orangelemonclemon forget the lists, why are you choosing to " delay" some vaccines.

Essentially you are just saying No to them but keeping your options open.

Mine had a blinking tic for a period when he was approaching 2, I don't think it had a link to any vaccine though I can't remember if it was just after or not! He just totally grew out of it. He had all injections at the normal time and had a reaction when he had his first (temp, very unsettled, lasted quite a while) so we did full dose of calpol 2 hours before all other vaccines and full dose for 2 days after on all future ones (doctor suggested) and didn't have any issues at all to be honest

@sunglassesonthetable i disagree with that but there is no point in me engaging further since you are now telling me what i am doing when what your saying is false. I have answered your questions because i thought you were interested.

And for the record, the reason i have not given any reasons as to why we have not taken particular vaccines is because some people will latch onto these reasons and spin anti vax retoric which i strongly disagree with. The op has concerns and all i have repeatedly said is to go to the official source of the information and to read it. Then they will hopefully feel in a more comfortable place to make a decision.

It'd be interesting if you added your reasons to your response

i disagree with that but there is no point in me engaging further since you are now telling me what i am doing when what your saying is false. I have answered your questions because i thought you were interested.

I am interested !! God alive.
I have asked and asked WHY.

You have skirted and skirted tbh, explained what a 'catch up schedule is' and also lead me to believe that you were having the vaccines, but just when your GP told you. So don't tell me about 'false', please.

But it doesn't seem like you're actually 'catching up' on anything but choosing still to have a foot in the door if you change your mind. I maybe totally wrong but YOU didn't answer the question and haven't explained.

And tbh honest you've left it to me to hit on an explanation. I haven't just made something up for no reason, but out of trying to understand.

And for the very first time you have admitted you have not said WHY. Which is what I asked, out of interest, pages ago. And you show that yes you understood the question and have your reasons to avoid it.

Engage or not. But please don't go asserting that I am just making things up and not interested.

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@Orangelemonclemon

My Family have a genetic condition called GEFS+ It is a mutation of the SCN1A gene
On the mild end it means that children have febrile convulsions up to puberty rather than 5 and a lot more than normal like my DS who had his last FC at 13 and had over 20 . We can trace it back to at least my Grandmother. In fact my ds had his first febrile convulsion a few weeks after his mmr at 13 months

The other end of the spectrum of GEFS+ is Dravets syndrome where children start having seizures from a young baby and their seizures cause brain damage.

Dravets syndrome has been found in children who were originally thought to have a vaccine injury . Vaccine may have triggered the seizure by causing a temperature but the vaccine is not the cause of the brain damage. They would have had the same reaction to any fever.not just one caused by vaccine.

And for the record, the reason i have not given any reasons as to why we have not taken particular vaccines is because some people will latch onto these reasons and spin anti vax retoric which i strongly disagree with.

@Orangelemonclemon this is your answer to
WHY not. Instead of stringing people on.

My oldest's were delayed and he had his at a Children's Hospital, and was under observation in the open play area they had for I think it was about an hour to see if there would be any issues. I was told at the time that any significant issue would most likely show something in that time frame. He just played for the hour with occasional checks, thankfully no issues, and is now adult.

With your concerns, I would ask if there is an option in your area to have them at a hospital with support along. I'd be surprised if there isn't some option to have something similar if only to ease parents' minds enough to help encourage increased take-up.

I get being worried. I was too. It was nothing to do with conspiracy theories or autism for me - it was having been told by family members how terribly ill my sister was after her jabs, having a child I was already struggling to get help for, and being a disabled person who had already experienced medical professionals verbally, physically, and sexually abusing me before I was a parent, and then more being really shitty and blame me for anything being less than ideal in my pregnancy, childbirth, and my child's early days. So yeah, I struggled to trust medical professionals, struggled to be in a room with one without another adult for years.

Oddly, people telling me to just trust doctors and I must want to a dead kid didn't help - I'd already had a medical professional tell me I must not love my child while pregnant for being dehydrated. It just ended up as shitty people noise to me.

What helped was having my concerns and that some medical professionals are really shitty acknowledged with compassion, being treated as a competent adult and discussing the benefits and risks in a 'this is how they work, this is how they can go wrong, these are the signs of things going wrong, here's what can be done if they show up' around the vaccines as well as the diseases and support at the hospital so I wasn't alone and could talk through things as needed. That was many years ago, and it still sadly surprises me how rare compassion is for worried mothers, knowing how not unusual what I went through is.

@RamblingEclectic

What helped was having my concerns and that some medical professionals are really shitty acknowledged with compassion, being treated as a competent adult and discussing the benefits and risks in a 'this is how they work, this is how they can go wrong, these are the signs of things going wrong, here's what can be done if they show up' around the vaccines as well as the diseases and support at the hospital so I wasn't alone and could talk through things as needed. That was many years ago, and it still sadly surprises me how rare compassion is for worried mothers, knowing how not unusual what I went through is.

Absolutely people should have their concerns acknowledged and be treated with compassion. That should be a given.

But the problem comes when people give equivalent weight between on the one hand an argument backed by science and medical precedent and on the other one based on “trusting your gut” and allowing anxiety to dictate your approach to your children’s health (and others health).

To take another parallel example: if a mother has OCD she of course deserves compassion and understanding but no one would argue that an irrational germ phobia should be allowed to dictate her approach to her children. No one would say “yes it’s fine to keep your children in the house 24/7 because we know you are terrified of bringing microbes into the house”.

There was a poster up thread literally telling the OP “trust your gut”, in other words telling her that her ill founded neurosis should trump the needs of the broader community. It’s dangerous and childish.

Understanding people’s fears and emotions and helping them is good. Encouraging them to base their approach to keeping their children, and other people’s children, safe, on their own ill founded anxieties is not.

Ultimately if your anxieties are putting your children and other people at risk you have to step up and deal with them.

Those who are worried about vaccines - are you also concerned every time you give your child antibiotics or penicillin?

@sunglassesonthetable - you have been much nicer than I have and your level headedness is to be admired. The PP obviously likes to feel superior and special with their bespoke “fully researched schedule” and it is maddening to me. My kid is slumming it on the standard schedule. I am obviously a terrible parent.

That’s a shame but nothing sounds linked to vaccines.

if anything he sounds like a child who would benefit massively from the protection vaccines offer.

measles is nasty and the side effects can be awful. If your child has a low immune system as you’ve suggested then I’m not sure what the delay is in getting it done.

I am in the same position. We are waiting until DC is 5 before doing any vaccines. Personal choice. So please everyone keep your words to yourself and your ideas.

We have a family friends whose child died from the 12 month vaccine. 2 weeks after their health went down hill and within months fully disabelled and died within 9 months. No one contributed it to the vaccines and said "one of those things". The family were distraught at the neglect of responsibility from HCP. So we have personal experince why we wish to delay and do things very slowly.

It is a risk either way but we do feel at age 5 we can tell the mental ability and physical ability of our child so if anything happens they can't wriggle out of it and says "one of those things".