Doctors right to strike, should it be removed?

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Hello
Several people within our families are doctors. Most started out wanting to care for people, but as time goes on, the reality of money, and spending comes into play for some.

PM Rishi Sunak in a tv interview partly balmed doctors strikes for failing to bring down hospital waiting lists. I rarely agree with a politician but in this case, I know he is right. EG, myself, my OH, one of our children and grandchildren have had their appointments cancelled because of strike impacts. Our children and grandchildren do have private healthcare but those do not cover pre-existing or you end up on the NHS with chorionic conditions.

Our police officers and armed forces personnel are not allowed to strike

AIBU to expect a no-strike agreement for doctors and possibly nurses. If agreed, give them 9 months' notice about no-strike agreements. I honestly believe hardly anyone would leave and those leaving would have possibly left the NHS anyway as some do and go to another country just like we get doctors from abroad. Their pay claims could be easily managed in the same way police/armed forces pay rises are managed as well of those MP's.

Failing to bring down hospital w/l lies with the present government and the growing of these waiting lists, the doctor's strikes have certainly made things a lot worse. We are regularly hearing on our news media about growing waiting lists and people waiting for urgent treatments and the waiting times in A&E departments etc

AIBU to feel that doctors should be made to sign a no-strike agreement with a few month's notice to have the no-strike agreement in place before next winter? Also, have a pay body set up like the ones our MP's enjoy.

OP if you understood anything at all about the plight of doctors and its history, you would not be calling Jeremy Hunt 'respected'. Can I suggest you educate yourself before starting ill-informed threads such as these?

So in your opinion, now they have wasted money by giving their friends billions in contracts which were never delivered, all public sector workers should just suck up receiving less pay for even more work?! And just work out of the goodness of their heart, so what if they cant pay their bills, keep a roof over their head or spend time with their family?!!

Rishi is blaming the strikes but they are his doing. Healthcare workers are not naturally militant, they only strike if they have been mismanaged/overworked/underpaid.

You can repeating yourself all you like, you are still talking nonsense. It’s not about “turnover” of staff it’s about staff leaving and Trusts not being able to recruit into those posts! Turnover suggests new staff arrive to plug the gap - newsflash they aren’t!! And even if they do, guess what? They leave shortly after! Or do you think the number of vacancies in the NHS is a fantasy? That actually it’s fully staffed? Before the pandemic, and long before the strikes, there was a shortage of NHS staff, the rot of “Austerity” had truly set in. Now it’s imploding, well what a surprise eh?!

Hmm is Victoria Atkins on MN?

There are huge fundemental problems with the work and conditions of doctors in the UK. It's not all about pay. The government seem to have actively avoided even talking to the doctors. VA treats them like uppity children.
The NHS won't get better while the lynchpins of the workforce are so demoralised.

Tory governments seem to have an inherent hatred of state employees such as teachers, doctors and even the Police in recent years. It seems to be an ideological thing where anyone who works in an enterprise not driven by shareholder profit maximisation is to be denigrated.

Perhaps they didn't have as many transferable skills as the average doctor?

This again.
Doctors pay tuition fees.
I did multiple hours of unpaid overtime every week as a junior doctor. If I was being made to work on condition of having to repay some made up training costs, do you think I'd be doing that? No, I'd be leaving on time of negotiating double pay for the extra. Any employer who has to blackmail its staff to stay needs to look at its employment practices.

to add to your argument, why would the government spend millions of pounds to train doctors and then overwork and underpay them until they reach the point that they strike and leave the profession.
the government isn't exactly using it s investment wisely

Yes, most people are aware inc me that uni fees are often paid by the person as well as what you said.

Are you saying that training a doctor is not funded by the taxpayers to a great extent?

I'm all for good docs, NHS staff but I'm also for a no-strike agreement. Just looking at the waiting times etc, surely, strikes have a negative impact. Yes, the gov, all govs should have concentrated on improving the NHS and ironing out inefficient practices rather than just throwing money at it.

I know and seen docs and other staff work hard, stressed etc and shortages and have suffered at the hands of that but a relaitic pay rise is the way forward along with a no-strike agreement and improved service delivery
See below

This will increase by up to 1,500 each year from September 2018. It costs £230,000 to train a doctor in England and proposals set out in a consultation launched today (14 March 2017) include plans to obtain a return on this investment.14 Mar 2017

More undergraduate medical education places - GOV.UK

Well he also went on holiday during the strike so it was not bullshit, unless he lied to lied to his entire family about going on holiday and then hid at home lol. He did not want to strike because he considers them to already be paid well.

YABVU

You are suggesting to decrease the waiting times by a very tiny fraction by turning doctors into public slaves.

To your other question, young people research jobs, but no one knows what exactly it will mean for them in 10,20,30, 40 years, or what is the practical value of strike rules.

NHS is in bad state, but it isn't doctors fault so you can't fix it by punishing the doctors.

This is a definite piss take as you’ve called Jeremy Cunt respectable! 🤣

Because the government is well known for investing wisely and spending in the right places. Oh wait….!

And based on what a single individual has told you, you’ve managed to extrapolate and make it apply to the entire medical profession across the country! Great analytical skills there

No!

This thread just tells me more key staff need to hit the work to rule trail. Then maybe people like OP will realise just how much these sectors rely on staff goodwill to keep going.

Right to strike should be there for everyone.

Junior doctors have to strike until they get pay restoration and decent working conditions. The current pay is a scandal. My second year junior doctor gets approximately £16 an hour and the responsibility she has plus the stress is off the scale.
Junior doctors work with terrible understaffing and they are unsupported. It’s dangerous for them and patients - they shouldn’t carry on in the present circumstances, if they do it’s masking the awful conditions. Things have to change and it’s why they’ve resorted to drastic measures in the form of striking.

Absolutely not.

No the right to strike should be available for all workers in a union. What else would you suggest people do to try and make the govt take notice? Teens with predicted A’s in stem subjects at A level should really look at doing something other than medicine.

I don't think you have a clue what working conditions are like in the NHS. Do you really want a group of resentful junior doctors, working to rule and counting down the hours til they can leave? You think that will give good care.

It was over 20 years ago that I was refused annual leave for my own wedding and told to arrange swaps. That is still happening to junior doctors. Who are also getting their stuff stolen as they have no lockers, have nowhere to sit when writing notes, and have no access to basics like hot food when working overnight.

You want a good health service? treat the staff a bit better.

I do agree when it comes to HCP jobs you needn't be in it for care and not money. But interesringly most of the Drs I know amd Dentists do it for money and have very little / no bedside manner or care.

P.s it was a HCP - witnessed a Consultant throw a tantrum in theatre while patient was under all becuase he didn't get the bandages he liked...........

Why is choosing a profession because it was well paid wrong?
Actually a consultant should have the correct equipment she needs to perform a procedure,