To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

I have yet to be shown any proof that Labour will not support single sex spaces. I have, however, seen Annaliese Dodds’ firm assurance that they will.

@AdamRyan
It's so hilarious
Labour have to explain every minute detail of their policy or we will assume they are lying and women are going to hell in a handcart

Meanwhile the Tories are a party of proven liars who have done fuck all about this (or even any other issues affecting women) for 14 years yet they are a safe bet for "knowing what women are"

Completely agree, you have to laugh really (in a sad kind of way as it's not really funny at all, far from it)

There's nothing remotely funny about this.
Labour have committed to introducing self ID, and when they say that trans women are women, thats what they mean.

when women can have penises, single sex doesn't mean anything. single sex women's spaces means not a single penis or previous penis owner are allowed in. Labour have been very clear that that is not what they mean.

It may be funny to you that women will be locked in prisons and psych wards with fully intact men, but there's nothing socialist about it.

Introduce self ID. Make it easier to get a certificate which makes people have to pretend you're the opposite sex. Pretend women can have penises. Hound women MPs if they draw attention to the massive flaws, inequity and misogyny which this position entails. Refuse to clarify that single sex spaces can lawfully, and indeed should, exclude TW.

For fear of sounding like a cracked record... groundhog day.... etc etc.

Why announce policies to make obtaining a GRC easier if you intend to ban legal females (AKA males with a certificate) from women's spaces? There is no point in a GRC if it doesn't confer any legal rights.

As for firm assurances, well they don't have the laws that allow those spaces yet, and they have treated Rosie Duffield abhorrently for raising concerns And they have made it clear to women who were members of the Labour Party (I was one of them) that our views on these issues were not welcome.

So forgive me for not believing them.

BTW they COULD change my mind with unequivocal promises that are not open to differences in interpretation but they haven't yet done so.

I'll continue to wait.

You must be Tory. Of course you have to vote for them! Otherwise Tories back in.

In case people are in aby doubt; introducing self ID will mean completely dismantling both The Equality Act and safeguarding.

Its supposed to be the Tories who are against human rights legislation, but here we are.

God forbid women demand more rights from the Labour Party!

It may be funny to you
Not sure who you're aiming that comment at, but I'm assuming not me as I literally said "as it's not funny at all really". Also you're adding a whole load of other stuff about prisons etc implying thats what we were talking about and saying is funny when we weren't at all.
Why do that?

And they will introduce self ID as soon as they get in Government?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66299705

Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences
''We’ll strengthen the law, so every category of hate crime is treated as an aggravated offence,” Starmer said. “We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care. We’ll modernise the Gender Recognition Act. ''
https://diva-magazine.com/2024/01/29/exclusive-keir-starmer-lgbtqia-rights/

Yes. This. It is very much within Labours grasp to sort out the shit show that they have created with their appalling obfuscation language and their attacks on women. But they are choosing not to. Why are women being held responsible for the appalling acts of failing arrogant policiticians? why, instead, are the country not up in arms about the fact that there now is no party which offers true respect for our fellow citizens? Why is the anger not directed at Kier for his awful elitist anti women stance? can you imagine haranguing any other oppressed group when they state that they can't vote for their oppressors even if they will effect many good changes for many people?

Increased access to the GRC is self ID through the back door.

Providers of 'single sex' services are not legally allowed to ask for proof of the GRC except for in extremely limited situtations.

So we have de-facto self ID currently, thanks to the introduction of the GRC by the Labour Party in 2004.

But we are talking about prisons etc
We have been for ages. Because we are concerned about the women being locked up with men. What is funny to you about the abolition of women's rights?

What is wrong with banning conversion therapy?

14 years the Tories had to make changes

And round we go.

Yes so what is Labour going to do to stop it if they get in? Especially now they have seen the real harms it causes women.

Oh that's right, absolutely Nothing. They are going to make it even easier for men to be legal women.

@DuncinToffee it means affirmation only for anyone with dysphoria. No exploration of other causes or options. Totally different to conversion therapy for same sex attracted people (which of course is abhorrent).

Totally different to conversion therapy for same sex attracted people (which of course is abhorrent)

its exactly the same thing.

Here's a few Labour quotes for you

Streamlining the already ridiculous pathway to a legal fictious sex is equally anti women.

The Conservatives are in power and have been for 14 years. At the moment they are the only ones who can "sort out the shit show" as you put it.

I really don't understand why posters are directing so much ire at Labour over this. They are not in charge. If women choose not to vote for them, they won't be in charge either. So why Labour specifically?

Why not be angry and commenting on threads about the duplicitousness of the Conservatives who allowed this ideology to take a foothold and now act like it's nothing to do with them?

If you don't think Labour can be trusted, why not lobby and put pressure on the other parties to give you a voting option?

Does it? Where have you read that?