To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

Don't say he can't represent women as if we all have the same opinion just because we're women. He represents me and I'm more than happy with that decision.

Actualluy Kemi Badenoch is working on a solution which would mean that the law is re-drafted to differentiate between biological sex and gender identity.

Why can Labour not do the same instead of keeping on rejecting it? That would be a great way to show willing and to bring back your alienated voters in one swoop.

Thank you @EasternStandard

These are the organisations that Labour signed off as 'Hate Groups':

https://womansplaceuk.org

https://fairplayforwomen.com

I think too many GC posters hang around on weird bits of the internet (like the Antipodean site) and have absorbed a load of lunacy from there. And I think because some conservative groups have played an absolute blinder trying to conflate gender politics with "the Left". As a result there's a load of half baked conspiracy theories flying around, being given airtime by places like GBeebies and the Daily Express.

I've been following this for years, since the Maria Miller debacle which is why I can confidently say this isn't party political but rather a social movement. So I would prefer not to use it as a voting issue unless there is a clear commitment to self ID.

People can vote how they like, but this is a bit like being passionate about the environment but voting Tory because "at least they know what a car is" 😂

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/maria-miller-says-only-hostility-to-transgender-report-came-from-women-purporting-to-be-feminists-a6830406.html

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I'll ask again, please find some evidence Badenoch is doing anything of the sort. People keep saying this without any proof. At least its possible to find the Labour policy.

I don't trust anything verbal from a party of proven liars. That would be madness

Are you seriously saying that the only women objecting are a minority who are purporting to be feminists?

Well there is your problem right there.

No worries appreciating the time you take on these threads

Is this an AIBU thread, or is it an I’m stating something and everyone shall agree with me thread?

Tories don't need policies or plans, only Labour does.

Who knows. Anyone would be better than the nasty incoherent misogynist we have at the moment.

What part of sex and gender are different does a qualified solicitor find so difficult to comprehend?

The purpose of a Gender Recognition Certificate is to give men the legal status of being female. It changes the SEX marker on the birth certificate to female.

it is not me who has conflated sex and gender. It's the Labour Party who introduced the Act in 2004. Ask them why they've done it!

You can only speak for your own on-line habits, not anyone else's. I contribute to two forums; Mumsnet and one other which is a special interest 'architecture, construction and urbanism' forum. I'm not on twitter, nor on any social media. I don't even use a smart phone as I reject the culture and dependency they engender.

I'm active in the real world. Have been politically active. Don't try to insult me or the other women who have spent a life time engaged in either the women's movement or in other political fields -simply because you find disagreement difficult to cope with.

You are the one talking endlessly about the Tories; I've been talking about Labour - why they have alienated so many people; and why so many can no longer vote for them. I've explained how easy it would be for them to apologise for the years of demonisation and expulsion; and how it would be very easy to make very clear their specific intention, thus bringing people back into the fold. But they haven't and I don't think they are going to. Instead they keep doubling down and issuing very vague statements with which they hope to pull the wool over people's eyes.

Why would I ask them when they state quite unambiguously that sex and gender are different? It’s just you saying they conflate them.

For fun I thought I'd do a list of the insults women who have expressed concern about the Labour Party position on women's rights on this thread.

We've had ;

lunacy,
hysteria,
shrieking
silly
shilling for the tories
hard of thinking
paranoid
screechy girls
pearl clutching
projecting
Spiteful
penis obsessed
conspiracy theorists

These have mostly come from 2 posters.

All because we would like the Labour Party to clarify unequivocally that it will put women's rights above gender ideology and will protect children.

When will Labour supporters learn that insulting people doesn't win hearts and minds?

Luckily none of my friends are stupid enough to do anything that might allow even one Tory to sneak in.

I understand why people find this a big issue, but for those I know, the NHS, policing, social care etc etc etc are much more important.

Not all members of the Labour party agree with you. I support ALL women's rights. Even if that makes me some sort of child molester or what else people on MN want to accuse me of.

No they don't.

The result of the legislation they introduced means some men have used the GRA to become legal women and can say that their sex is female.

They can say that they don't conflate sex and gender but that is the result of the Act and they should repeal it if that was not the intended outcome.

Labour have rejected trying to make this distinction in law.

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-minister-kemi-badenoch-mulling-law-change-define-sex-biological/

Justtean I know you think TWAW and I know the reasons why.

I am not trying to speak for you and that post wasn't intended to suggest I was speaking for you.

Those women still in the party have been busy trying to get the leadership to take this seriously. So far is the sound of silence, and even some accusations of 'transphobia' because TWAW.

https://www.policyforum.labour.org.uk/commissions/safe-and-secure-communities-for-women

It won’t affect my vote at all. There are more important issues (to me) to vote on. I will vote Labour.👍

What are my reasons why?