To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

The problem I'm seeing on this thread is that people don't seem to want to believe Labour when they say they will protect safe spaces for biological women. A transwoman isn't a biological woman. So what else do you want to hear? I get the impression that nothing but a MAGA type approach will do.

So be it then. Vote Tory and see what you get.

Just want to draw back to one point.

If Labour want us reluctant women to be comfortable in voting for them it is really easy for Labour to fix this.

All they would have to do is categorically state that women are adult human females and that adult human female excludes men with a certificate which state that they are female.

Then they would have to confirm that single sex spaces for women will be exclusively for women and will exclude males with or without a certificate calling them legal females.

And finally that they will leave children alone and follow the Cass review.

This is not too much to ask.

Have you told them?

want to believe Labour when they say they will protect safe spaces

What are you expecting?

Which spaces and how

That's just all absolute nonsense, made up by interpreting what they said in the worst possible light. It says nothing of the sort in the article.

So are you saying that Starmer didn't say that Labour will prioritise TQ treatments? It's literally in the article and has been C&Pd here several times.

If they do, who will drop down the lists? Cancer patients? People needing a heart bypass? A hip replacement?

They didn't use the words "prioritise above other people," but it's impossible to conclude logically that this isn't what they mean. If not, why say it?

Jesus.

So Labour will continue to perpetuate the legal fiction that some men are women and will in fact make that process easier.

In doing so they are removing women's rights as it is impossible to have single sex spaces when some men are legal females.

Yes.

I used to be a paid up member of the Labour Party until they told me that my views were not welcome.

Again, I don't know how you deduce that but you do you. Or maybe take a break? I certainly will. This debate has got stupid again.

Why is it stupid to point out that making it easier for men to be legal women harms women?

Please can you explain in simple terms what you mean.

@lifeturnsonadime sadly there's a few of you about. It's not just about this issue either.

Sincerely hope we don't end up with yet another Tory government because of this.

So do I.

Labour could so easily do the right thing.

How is Labour treating women and children badly?

Rosie Duffield revealed in December that Keir Starmer had not spoken to her since 2021. Why not?

And that's all you can come up with?

If they do, who will drop down the lists? Cancer patients? People needing a heart bypass? A hip replacement?

None of the above because they don’t require treatment from oncologists, cardiologists or orthopaedic surgeons.

hotinhereandthere
And that's all you can come up with?

One question at a time - what's your answer?

Take it up with Keir Starmer and Rosie Duffield.

It's all in here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

In summary:
-Streamline the process so its easier to access, cheaper, less bureaucratic (conservatives also committed to this; indeed have already started it)

• still require a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria from a doctor supporter by a registrar
• explicit no to self ID because if safeguarding concerns

You don't believe it, but that doesn't mean it's not their policy. Misrepresenting it to be something it's not is not OK.

I'm bored of tilting at windmills now.

So men will find it easier to get a Gender Recognition Certificate which states that they are 'legally female' because the process will be simplified.

So Labour have seen the harms to women and have committed to making the process easier for males.

Which is exactly the point I made. So what have I misrepresented Adam. How does simplifying the GRC ensure women have single sex spaces?

2 wings of the same bird.

Nope, not voting Labour because of their stance on this issue. And I've been a Labour voter for quite a while now.

Yep. The Tories refused to make misogyny a Hate Crime. Hardly surprising though. They really do hate women.

With all due respect I'm not sure you really understand this.

Please tell me what I don't understand hot I'm intrigued? I am an ex-practicing solicitor and am very conversant with the workings of the GRA and the EqA.

hotinhereandthere · Today 15:43

Can I ask, do you think that making it easier to get a GRC is somehow not making it easier to get a GRC?