Naming convicted killers - Brianna

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...Ghey case. In favour of or against as it impacts their rehabilitation? I'm in favour of it - if you've committed a heinous crime you sign away all your rights to be protected in my opinion - what comes your way and being ousted is part of your lot.... I'm not talking about self defence type, rather premeditated and horribly evil crimes. But I think this should be a consistent theme and not just when some judges decide to....at the momentvits not consistent practice.
Aibu to think it's right to name and shame?

Genuine question, for those saying they blame Jenkinsons parents, what could they honestly do? You see countless threads on here from people begging for help from GPs, Cahms etc to no avail. By all accounts she came from a perfectly loving family.

Should they have locked her up? Taken her to the police? (Who’d presumably said there was no evidence of her having done anything so wouldn’t be able to help).

Honestly interested to know.

Iwasafool · Today 16:08

It's hard to understand the mentality of people who'd do that to kids who have done nothing wrong. Says something about them.

Well quite, as we all know, there's never been a shortage of idiots and arseholes. Some of the attitudes on this thread, to the effect, "Tough shit on the families, the murderer should have thought of that," are rather depressing.

@Halfmanhalfcake I agree. Plenty of teens are very badly behaved, out of control, need serious psychiatric intervention, have been violent or harmed family members- but it is incredibly hard to get anyone to act, or listen. We have these threads on here quite frequently of parents who are in despair.

Plenty of teens watch True Crime, even I watch stuff about serial killers Everyone is fascinated by it, judging about the amount of YouTube and Netflix content on it, and so having books/watching serial killer material isn't enough in its own right to act- and what act could they take.

I always remember the killing in Plymouth of that big guy who went on the rampage and killed his own mum before killing random people in the street. She had phoned the police several times herself saying he's lost touch with reality, he has a gun, he is a danger to everyone. So it turned out. What more could she have done? Everyone just wrote down what she said, and she paid the ultimate price knowing she had an out of control son.

Some of the cod psychology on here is terrible. Yes, if you have trauma/child abuse, this might make you more vulnerable to problems later on, but plenty with both go on to live normal upstanding lives and parent well. Equally, there are children who just go 'wrong' for unclear reasons, there are lovely parents with children with personality disorders or psychopathy and that is not always their fault.

This thread is galling. Mumsnet has been instrumental in whipping up ttans hatred. Too late now.

Nice try.

All I can see about her parents is that they are teachers and the police saying it seemed a normal/home family. What have her parents done?

If they're old enough to plan and commit a murder, then they're old enough to be named as far as I'm concerned.

Terrible isn't it. I can't imagine how horrific it must be to see your child arrested for murder and then sit in court listening to what they've done and then see them sentenced to decades in prison. I suppose the only thing that would be worse would be your child being the victim. I think the families have all suffered, all 3. One family will get sympathy and support and quite right too, the other families will be vilified and probably terrified by threats.

I’ve just read something that says her dad was a plasterer, though I did read teacher initially.

His mum was a ski instructor and graphic designer.

Not taken an interest in her no doubt and let her sit engrossed with a phone every night with no idea what she is doing.
Failed to notice that there was a notebook in her room detailing her plans.
Not discipling her enough when she was excluded.
Should have taken the phone away etc. No doubt they were paying for this phone on which she was watching violence and gore and exchanging messages.

She was 15 fgs it can't have nothing to do with the parents. Parents are there to guide you also.

I only saw teacher when I googled it, well one said one of her parents was a teacher and others all said both were teachers. I suppose one could be teaching plastering at an FE college.

She has a life sentence so will be monitored and on probation for the rest of her life.

If 15 years being on their phones is an indication they are going to be murderers I dread to think what the final body count will be.

I'm a Catholic, tried to guide my children on my religion. None of them go to church or even believe in God. You can only do so much.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/we-knew-briannas-gheys-killers-28557098?utm_source=app

It was this article I read, doesn’t mention her mum.

You honestly think that a child with a conduct disorder can be cured by taking their phone away?

These killers issues run MUCH deeper than a lack of discipline or parenting.

Her murder had nothing to do with her being trans.

Rehabilitation is so essential precisely because what they did was so despicable and they are so dangerous. To not rehabilitate them is to commit to either their eventual release in society and posing harm to others or their ongoing locking up at great expense. Neither serves society well. Hell and damnation is a totally understandable emotionally reaction to what they did but rationally trying to rehabilitate people is the best societal solution.

I haven’t read anything individual about him yet. I asked about the girl as I was reading a news report about her. Now I’ve got the replies from @SoundTheSirens and @Iwasafool I assume the same long term supervision would apply to him.

I suppose the only thing that would be worse would be your child being the victim. I'm not sure of that. I think I could cope better with my child being murdered (and I would have support) than my child revealing themselves as a murderer or paedophile.

Blaming the parents is one way of being certain that your DC can't turn out the same way "I am a good, non-neglectful parent, so my child will do no wrong, unlike these other children whose parents were abusive/neglectful".

Hell and damnation is a totally understandable emotionally reaction to what they did but rationally trying to rehabilitate people is the best societal solution. Totally this.

US has the death penalty and life sentences without possibility of parole. Their crime outcomes are no better than ours.

According to the CPS it was

Their families did not murder anyone.

What purpose does naming them serve? Does it bring back Brianna? Does it make it better for her family? Are there any benefits to naming them whatsoever? When they are released they will have new identities so it won't help there. Also, whose name should be remembered? Not that of the killers IMO.

I don't have sympathy for the killers in the slightest. I don't believe in punishing their families any more than they already have with the knowledge being out there though. That's entirely separate to any sympathy for Brianna's family. Most people are capable of feeling sympathy for more than one person at a time.

Maybe they could have tried effectively parenting her themselves from the start. Something has already gone badly wrong if you need the police and others to intervene.

It's not just being on your phone though is it?
It's what she's viewing on there. It's also about her notebook left long around and her previous expulsión

There's no discipline today either. Mother should have given up work or the father when she was expelled.
Why should another school take her on.
Look after your own child if they can't behave at school.
She didn't give a shit about upsetting her parents either.
Remember when you'd be scared to step Out of line, frightened and embarrassed at what your parents would think.
That has long gone. Children like this have not a care even for their own parents. No doubt she shall be expecting their support in her prison though.
Why didn't she want to make her parents proud of her? She ruined everyone's lives and all for what?

If she wanted to know what it was like to stab someone Why not try herself.

Saying transwomen cannot ever become women is not Hatred.
Saying transwomen should not compete in female sport is not Hatred.
Saying transwomen should not be admitted to female prisons and Safe Spaces is not Hatred.

HTH.

Yes but now they will face the abuse of wider society.

I feel for the families.