Naming convicted killers - Brianna

[Noangelbuthavingfun]

...Ghey case. In favour of or against as it impacts their rehabilitation? I'm in favour of it - if you've committed a heinous crime you sign away all your rights to be protected in my opinion - what comes your way and being ousted is part of your lot.... I'm not talking about self defence type, rather premeditated and horribly evil crimes. But I think this should be a consistent theme and not just when some judges decide to....at the momentvits not consistent practice.
Aibu to think it's right to name and shame?

I think they should have to live with what they've done for the rest of their lives and it should follow them. They shouldn't be allowed to hide from it by having a new identity. It's unfair in people that they meet once released as they don't know who they're friends, etc, with.

I’ve just read this on the MEN website.
I did a supply teaching stint in a secure unit. It was small, an odd set up, privately run and publicly funded as far as I could make out, only 3 lads lived in the place though more expected as it was newly opened.
I wasn’t allowed to know anything about the kids, had to teach all 3 15 and 16 year olds ( one diagnosed with autism) together in one room which we were locked into ( I did have a key)
I insisted another adult was present as the easiest way to get off lessons is to shout the teacher touched me, yeah I saw her do that, yes, I saw it too etc.. Very reluctantly it was agreed but it was hit and miss, sometimes the other adult was “called away” and didn’t hurry back.
It was an interesting time. No idea what the kids had done to get them there, I don’t think I was even given their full names, just first names.

Sentencing now.

This last line, exactly. If any siblings involved I do feel sorry for them, but not the parents.

I read a fair bit of true crime and studied criminology in uni. I also had to work with children and teens with behavioural issues. Vast majority of the time their family has a major hand in it.

One kid I worked with used to routinely threaten staff in quite a sinister way, and the mum was basically like oh why is my son so horrid.

I had read their case files and the mum had let a series of boyfriends physically abuse him. She protected the other kids but not him. And she wondered why he had such rage inside of him?

There are exceptions but I don’t believe it’s the norm for these kind of teen killers to have parents who are blameless.

Are their parents in court now that they have been named I wonder?

All local people will have known for ages the identity of the killers, their schoolmates, teachers,neighbours etc etc

I don’t see what good it does. They’ll be behind bars and everyone who sees them day to day will already know.
The only ones who it will impact on day to day are their innocent family and former friends.
When they are eventually released they will be given new lives and their families will carry on living with everyone around them knowing.
I get that it’s an open secret where they are but it doesn’t give the families a chance to move and start again.

You can't rehabilitate these sorts of people and tbh why should we rehabilitate them?

Anyone who thinks like this should probably avoid ever shopping in Boots, Tesco, Timpson, Pret a Manger, the Co-op, Greggs...they and others all employ rehabilitated prisoners and yes, that sometimes includes murderers.

Scarlett: 22yrs minimum less remand time
Eddie: 20yrs minimum less remand time

It looks like the killers legal representation tried to push ADHD and anxiety as being mitigating factors.

Looks like the judge has seen through that little game -

www.facebook.com/share/v/eyRHeiNmPnzQUtBL/?mibextid=KsPBc6

Are their parents in court now that they have been named I wonder?

Yes, reports say it was mostly family members in the public gallery, Brianna's and the two killers'.

Everyone at their school must know who they are and therefore the identity of their families and where they live. That is where it matters. Irrelevant whether the wider public are told.

The wider public could always easily find out with a couple of clicks.

I don't think people like that can be rehabilitated. Do you really want them walking about age 40 something? Still fit healthy and mobile enough to kill more people they befriend? It's not like they be freed as oaps. People need to be protected not these skuz buckets

@SoupDragon

you can say the same for any trial from shoplifting to murder. And in this case the age is irrelevant, and they are now 16 hence being named as it should be

Briannas family have to live with the fact they will never see her again, theirs can visit them as they languish in jail. Why should Brianna’s family be known and talked about and their families not! That’s further punishment for Brianna’s family as the culprits families move on unknown if they are not named

its right to name them

Not long enough imo.

Serious question , does anyone know if say the girl is released in her 30s, given new identity and then gets pregnant would there be any additional checks? Would SS know she had a child or is it you’ve done your time, off you pop? (I’m assuming even with a new identity employment would be difficult, no working with children) is that right?

But I think this should be a consistent theme and not just when some judges decide to....at the momentvits not consistent practice.

I think rather than blanket yes or no to naming giving guidelines to judges - who'll have seen all the evidence and seen all the reports and who are in the best place to judge potentially nuanced situations -is the best way.

Wow

If she were ever granted parole, she would be on licence for the rest of her life and subject to licence conditions, one of which will be to remain in contact with her supervising probation officer. Conditions can vary from ex-prisoner to ex-prisoner but that is a standard licence condition.

Posted too soon, so ETA: if her probation officer believed any future child to be at risk, they would involve SS.

More waste of public money, protecting killers.

It's hard to understand the mentality of people who'd do that to kids who have done nothing wrong. Says something about them.

Mary Bell had a daughter after she was released and was bringing her up. That was reported when her identity was revealed and she had to tell her daughter why they were being moved and having new identities. That must be a difficult conversation.

@Andthereyougo

I find it Interesting how you just asked that question about the girl.... and not the boy

I think this might be relevant in this case. The girl at least was serial killer obsessed.