Naming convicted killers - Brianna

[Noangelbuthavingfun]

...Ghey case. In favour of or against as it impacts their rehabilitation? I'm in favour of it - if you've committed a heinous crime you sign away all your rights to be protected in my opinion - what comes your way and being ousted is part of your lot.... I'm not talking about self defence type, rather premeditated and horribly evil crimes. But I think this should be a consistent theme and not just when some judges decide to....at the momentvits not consistent practice.
Aibu to think it's right to name and shame?

The arrest video...well I suppose it's to be expected that they wouldn't admit what they'd done.

But the boy says, "I can explain everything." Apparently he was very bright, yet he must have been very stupid as well.

And the girl, "Why am I a suspect?"

How on earth did they think they'd get away with it?

I agree. If the family are affected and want to move away then they can start a new life. If they choose not to they will have to accept the outcome.

Anyone who gets into the news has to deal with fallout, they shouldn't be any different.

It depends on the nature of the crime. The judge should always make the decision. In this case two perpetrators and premeditated and planned it all, with five names on their list. So yes should be named as they are a threat to everyone.

If it was a tragic accident or self defence or freak occupancy no the people involved should never be named.

There was also a red flag on the girl already, the reason she changed school. Did new school know the full story of her move? I’m not sure. That knowledge could have put more vigilance in place.

And it might be seen as an invasion of privacy to check teen’s phones but that could have saved Brianna as she admitted to the boy by text/whatsapp she’d tried to poison Brianna.

They’ll need to think long and hard before ever releasing her.
Nit read anything about the boy yet.

I 100% believe they should be named and shamed and I also think no killer should ever be given a new identity. Their punishment should be everyone knows them as the vile pieces of scum that they are. They shouldn’t be allowed to ever live a normal life when they have stolen someone else’s life.

There is an argument for deliberately not naming killers in order to deny them fame and notoriety.

Mental health is not the source of all evils, psychopaths are born without a moral compass and cannot be rehabilitated because they are, simply, not ill.

When I was younger and naive, I was in favour of name and shame.
However, as the brain cells started to see real action i the real world from about the age of 17 upwards, I was against name/shame for all cases. Should be case by case

At times, the parents, siblings/family have done nothing wrong and may even be very decent people - why have them been shamed nationwide? I say this as some people do see the whole family as a problem when they are not

There is rarely any fame or notoriety with 'killers' ... there's too many of them to remember... and in ten years or so if they are due to be released, most won't remember their names anyway.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68135818

I am strongly against 'naming and shaming' as many of you on here are putting it.
Don't get me wrong, their crimes were horrific. But to me it's similar to the death penalty issue: neither have a place in a civilised society, IMO.

So why bother naming them, then, and allowing the media furore? By your reasoning it's just bread and circuses, surely.

Yes, this apply particularly psychopaths who thrive on notoriety.

I think that it is great that New Zealand chose not to name the serial killer that killed so many teenagers in a Labour Party camp site be abuse what the killer wanted was notoriety so his extreme right manifest could be publicised and circulated by the media. Jacinta denied him the opportunity and I think she should be commended for that.

In this case, however, I disagree. Who is going to be warning any future partners that this pair killed another teen so viciously? Especially she. They were such good actors that they convinced the victim they were best friends?

Killers have no place in a civilised society.
Punishment does have place in a civilised society, it’s what keeps it civilised.

This freak of nature has also written down names of staff in her secure unit she'd like to kill.

God, imagine having to work with her everyday.
What on earth is wrong with her?
Dosent give a shit about anyone.

Jon Venables and Robert Thompson's names are still pretty widely known. Killers generally stay remembered when cases are particularly bad. Myra Hindley, Fred and Rose West, Raoul Moat, Derrick Bird, Michael Ryan - all crimes committed at least a decade ago, all still widely known. Lucy Letby will be too in years to come.

I completely agree with naming the criminals. Anonymity for convicted criminals should be reserved for extreme cases where there is a genuine reason to not make them public - although I can't think of any circumstances where this would be the case. Name them and shame them.

I wouldn't give them a new identity if released either, because if a crime is so horrific the criminal needs a new identity, it's horrific enough that they should never be released.

I doubt he will be that arrogant next year when he goes to prison.secure training centres are a doddle compared to young offenders how fresh the fruit is will be the least of his problems.

The girl I agree she comes across as very distorted thinking and even if she ever comes to the point of being eligible for a parole hearing if she continues will be very difficult to convince a parole board that she is safe to be released

I didn't say anything about not wanting them punished. And they're going to prison; they are being punished.

Prisons don't have the capacity to keep people locked up forever

There's very few full term 'lifers' out there.... it will happen, they will be released at some point. No point denying it

Having everything out, laid on the table, names released etc etc is a starting point for rehabilitation. They take ownership of what they did

I don’t feel sympathy for the Jenkinson family. This girl was wildly out of control and caused harm to other children before Brianna. She had notes around her bedroom. I’m sorry but if you can’t be bothered to keep a grip on your children then you will also have to suffer their actions. Maybe if her family had bothered with her, she wouldn’t have been so messed up and took another life in such a sadistic way.

Their names and photos have been all over TikTok and Twitter etc for months, so I don’t think anyone can really have ‘anonymity’ anymore

Well her behaviour in custody will definitely affect her outcome

But we work with people all day long, many of whom wish us harm.

Killers should have thought of that. Can't understand how they didn't give a toss about their families.

How can they face their parents.

I don't think anyone should be given a new identity or protected from the consequences of what they've done, so yes, I think their names should be known once convicted.

What is the decision process on whether to name child killers?

I know of a family whose son has been convicted and detained in custody for murder. He was 16 when he committed the crime and is now 17.
He has not been named.

He has younger siblings whose lives have been torn apart.