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Asking employer to cover childcare costs

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Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 05:33

I’ve been asked to go on a business trip for a week, is it unreasonable to ask the company to pay the incremental childcare costs?

OP posts:
SunshineAndRainbowsToday · 01/02/2024 08:05

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:03

@lifeispainauchocolat correct, it’s not my employers responsibility if I have a child or not. However I don’t believe I should incur an additional £300 expense to cover time on their behalf outside of my contracted hours

It's not outside your contracted hours if travel is in your contract.

Grilledsquid · 01/02/2024 08:05

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 05:59

@nohopehere i work in probably one of the most male dominated fields possible. Believe me when I say I stand up for women and equality. Men wouldn’t ask because their wives would be expected to cover ….

Your partner is expected to cover the same way like the wifes are.
Equality innit

ElaineMBenes · 01/02/2024 08:05

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:03

@lifeispainauchocolat correct, it’s not my employers responsibility if I have a child or not. However I don’t believe I should incur an additional £300 expense to cover time on their behalf outside of my contracted hours

But you aren't explaining why you will have extra costs.......why can't your DH take on some additional responsibility?

Whinge · 01/02/2024 08:05

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:03

@lifeispainauchocolat correct, it’s not my employers responsibility if I have a child or not. However I don’t believe I should incur an additional £300 expense to cover time on their behalf outside of my contracted hours

If only your child had a father who could look after them during this time. Then there would be no need to incur an additional £300 expense...

Oh wait...

FUPAgirl · 01/02/2024 08:06

You think it's a better solution that your children stay in childcare longer and your work pay - than asking their dad to bother to pick them up (when you say he absolutely can?).

Just out if interest - I work for the NHS and regularly get kept really late as i can't just leave if there's not enough staff - should the NHS pay my extra childcare if my DH can't be bothered to pick up the DC?

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:07

@Reugny im not saying I’m being discriminated against, I don’t know why you keep banging on with that one.
my partner and I don’t work the same hours hence it’s not easy for him just to cover me for a week.

OP posts:
Bearbookagainandagain · 01/02/2024 08:08

EarringsandLipstick · 01/02/2024 07:32

That's not a company's responsibility.

I get that some private sector organisations may provide attractive overall packages that will offset childcare.

But what about employees with caring responsibilities for older parents? Or siblings?

It can feel unfair & tough as a working parent, especially a mother, especially a single one, and especially if you have multiple DC - but it is part of the choice one makes when having children.

There have been career choices I've had to forgo, because as a single parent I cannot make it work. Should I get compensated for that? 🤷🏻‍♀️

Your experience is common and I understand why you had to make those choices, but to OP's credit if you don't challenge a situation that seems unfair nothing will change.
Saying "I had to live with it, so you should too" is not the way forward.

Reugny · 01/02/2024 08:08

This reply has been deleted

The OP has privacy concerns, so we've agreed to take this down now.

For them it wasn't worth you doing it.

It happens.

If everyone was sick, there was no one else they could ask, couldn't get in an agency worker and they couldn't manage short staffed they would pay it.

lifeispainauchocolat · 01/02/2024 08:10

This reply has been deleted

The OP has privacy concerns, so we've agreed to take this down now.

That's a very different thing altogether to what OP is complaining about though.

Nofilteritwonthelp · 01/02/2024 08:10

nohopehere · 01/02/2024 05:54

I can see where they are coming from.

This is the sort of thing that can put employers off wanting to take on women with children.

A man wouldn't be asking for childcare costs to be paid.

Exactly, it's cringeworthy. Unfair to women without children too unless they get some expenses covered to the equivalent

ElaineMBenes · 01/02/2024 08:11

my partner and I don’t work the same hours hence it’s not easy for him just to cover me for a week.

Not easy...or impossible?

It's not easy when me or DH work away as It does mean moving things around and more juggling but that's part of being a parent.
Sounds like your DH needs to be a bot more flexible.

SuperDopper · 01/02/2024 08:11

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 05:59

@nohopehere i work in probably one of the most male dominated fields possible. Believe me when I say I stand up for women and equality. Men wouldn’t ask because their wives would be expected to cover ….

Yes, that’s right. Men wouldn’t ask because their partners would cover.

Just as your partner should cover.

Genuinely surprised that you can’t see that you are reinforcing the stereotype that childcare is a woman’s job. If you think you stand for women and equality, then this is not the way to do it.

Nofilteritwonthelp · 01/02/2024 08:12

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 06:30

I’m amazed at the negative response on here! Any other expense would be covered, but I guess I’m being unreasonable

Do they pay for a cattery, a kennel or a housesitter?

arethereanyleftatall · 01/02/2024 08:14

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 06:53

@MayThe4th i don’t see why my partner should be expected to cover it. Man or woman, in this day and age…if incremental costs are incurred for business purposes why is is so outrageous to ask the organisation to pay?

But you said upthread 'their wives would cover it'.....

The problem is it seems to be ingrained in you, and your husband, that the default parent is the mother. Why?

That's the problem as far as I've got to on the thread. You're blaming your company, who are covered by their contract, which you signed, rather than the fact you and your husband don't think he should be inconvenienced in any way by his own children.

SecondUsername4me · 01/02/2024 08:14

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:07

@Reugny im not saying I’m being discriminated against, I don’t know why you keep banging on with that one.
my partner and I don’t work the same hours hence it’s not easy for him just to cover me for a week.

He decided to have children with a woman whose job includes travel for work. So he can't be shocked that for one fortnight in 8 years he needs to tweak his hours?!

LittleBearPad · 01/02/2024 08:14

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:07

@Reugny im not saying I’m being discriminated against, I don’t know why you keep banging on with that one.
my partner and I don’t work the same hours hence it’s not easy for him just to cover me for a week.

Fine it may not be easy but that’s being a parent.

You say you do 50:50 but that seems highly unlikely. Heaven forbid your DP is inconvenienced for a week to support your career

Whinge · 01/02/2024 08:14

my partner and I don’t work the same hours hence it’s not easy for him just to cover me for a week.

Actually means - He won't even bother to try and change his working hours to help care for his own child.

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:14

I’m amazed so many responses are saying “suck it up”. We already pay £1800 in nursery fees, my partner does 50/50 childcare.
this is not a one off, few hours here and there, my employer is asking me to go to Africa for 10 days, which will cause additional expenses to a trip that will probably cost them over £20000.
why should I just accept I need to pay more? It’s a business trip for business reasons…

OP posts:
lifeispainauchocolat · 01/02/2024 08:15

my partner and I don’t work the same hours hence it’s not easy for him just to cover me for a week.

I'm sure he can cope given it's the first time in eight years you've had to work away 🙄

My DH regularly changes his hours to accommodate my job by the way, just as I do for him.

Bearbookagainandagain · 01/02/2024 08:16

SunshineAndRainbowsToday · 01/02/2024 08:05

It's not outside your contracted hours if travel is in your contract.

It is, the contract might say travel might be necessary occasionally, but it will still state the number of hours OP is contracted for and this doesn't include anything outside business hours. OP isn't against travelling, she is against being away for work for 3 days outside business hours.

OP can refuse to go.for childcare or any other reason. The employer might argue that she isn't able to perform a key part of her role, and therefore can try to dismiss her, but from what OP has said this training isn't in her job description.

DivergentTris · 01/02/2024 08:16

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 07:45

@DivergentTris yes were both parents, and no, our child is not an inconvenience. I’m amazed that so many people support the “business “
I don’t accept that childcare is mainly the mothers role, and actually would argue that putting a value on childcare to an employer rather than it being a freebie is key to equality.
Business vs lifestyle choices? What bullshit. You’re perpetuating that women can’t work after children

They can and I do, working 12 hrs shifts including nights often kept on but i sort my own child care, not work.
Business do value childcare and parents but they aren't bottomless pitts of money, they have more than adequate statutory care for staff. Something I'm grateful of as I was also a working mum running a business where I didn't have any statutory rights and often when looking after staff during this period did so with kids in tow.

It's hard for working parents BUT it's not an inconvenience to ask partners to help out, it can be workable BUT there are limits with the support you can get which means difficult choices sometimes, yes I could elaborate, been there too, but I may begin to bore you.

I speak from having kids, many working environments, done with statutory rights some without, some round the clock shifts others more Mundane hours.

I'm not bull shitting I've just been round the block enough to stand by my post and disagree with asking for childcare to be covered by work as its inconvenient to ask my partner to step up.

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:16

@Whinge this is just bullshit. My partner will manage if needs too. But why are you putting blame on him rather than a massive corporation?!?

OP posts:
LittleBearPad · 01/02/2024 08:17

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:14

I’m amazed so many responses are saying “suck it up”. We already pay £1800 in nursery fees, my partner does 50/50 childcare.
this is not a one off, few hours here and there, my employer is asking me to go to Africa for 10 days, which will cause additional expenses to a trip that will probably cost them over £20000.
why should I just accept I need to pay more? It’s a business trip for business reasons…

Your partner doesn’t do 50/50. If he did this wouldn’t be an issue. He’d step up for a week.

SecondUsername4me · 01/02/2024 08:17

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:16

@Whinge this is just bullshit. My partner will manage if needs too. But why are you putting blame on him rather than a massive corporation?!?

So he can do it?

So no extra childcare needed then?

AgnesX · 01/02/2024 08:17

You've not a hope or at very least unlikely.

If you don't want to pay for your children, don't travel.