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Asking employer to cover childcare costs

881 replies

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 05:33

I’ve been asked to go on a business trip for a week, is it unreasonable to ask the company to pay the incremental childcare costs?

OP posts:
momtoboys · 01/02/2024 14:32

If I were you, I would check my attitude before you approach your employer. You are coming off like a petulant child.

hangingonfordearlife1 · 01/02/2024 14:40

if travel is not mentioned in contract or job description the yes absolutely. Any costs incurred as a result of their business needs should be reimbursed

Caththegreat · 01/02/2024 14:41

Yep.perhaps people should ask for care for unwell parents.yeah right

EarthaKittsVoice · 01/02/2024 14:42

lifeispainauchocolat · 01/02/2024 07:16

why should I be out of pocket on their behalf?

Because it's your child 🙄

I think the OP is asking here - why should I be out of pocket when my employer wants me to travel abroad for 10 days away from my family, for their benefit/on their behalf?

I would ask the same and have a chat with my manager about reimbursement for my costs while I am away at their request.

Nanaof1 · 01/02/2024 14:44

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 05:59

@nohopehere i work in probably one of the most male dominated fields possible. Believe me when I say I stand up for women and equality. Men wouldn’t ask because their wives would be expected to cover ….

And for equality, women shouldn't ask because their husbands or DPs should be expected to cover.

ldnmama2 · 01/02/2024 14:45

Definitely reasonable x

Confusednewmum1 · 01/02/2024 14:50

This means you need to travel, I’d suck it up and hope it’s a once off.

if it’s not time for a new job

EarthaKittsVoice · 01/02/2024 14:51

KeepYaHeadUp · 01/02/2024 07:28

So why do you think your employer should fund your childcare when you're the one who chose to have a child?

Presumably because they value OP's contribution to the company and might be prepared to accept some of the burden society has decided is acceptable when you have children and also want to work in order to retain her as an employee.

Because if the OP decides one day it's not worth her while working because of the expense to her of doing the job and they want to rehire they might find a lot of applicants also "chose to have a child" and they are in the same position again.

This. Thank you

twnety · 01/02/2024 14:52

TheStuffalo · 01/02/2024 12:20

I think it's fair enough to ask. Presumably if you had a gig/theatre tickets etc booked during the week of travel and it was non-refundable you'd get reimbursed for that ? So why not ask for childcare costs? It's an extra expense you are incurring to be able to travel on business so I think it's fine to ask.

a friend of mine used to travel frequently with work and sometimes at the drop of a hat and he would get all his expenses paid for. Once he had to cancel a weekend trip to Paris and got his Eurostar ticket reimbursed and hotel costs reimbursed too as well as the ticket of the friend he was going with as the friend decided not to travel!

how are you getting reimbursed for your time abroad? Are you getting any time off in lieu?

Unlikely in most places I would think

. Presumably if you had a gig/theatre tickets etc booked during the week of travel and it was non-refundable you'd get reimbursed for that ?

EarthSight · 01/02/2024 14:55

Nofilteritwonthelp · 01/02/2024 05:38

Seriously? It was your choice to have children, honestly it's attitudes like yours that ruin it for every other woman

It's a good job the majority of women DO have children, otherwise there wouldn't be enough of a population to keep paying taxes to look after people when they're old!

TylaTiga · 01/02/2024 14:56

Caththegreat · 01/02/2024 14:41

Yep.perhaps people should ask for care for unwell parents.yeah right

If you’re caring for your parent/s and your job wants to to travel for work then I don’t think it would be unreasonable for you to say you can’t go or to say you needed financial support with it. Especially if it’s something you have never done before and isn’t a standard part of your job role.

Smellslikesummer · 01/02/2024 15:01

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 10:23

@arethereanyleftatall theyll be a bigger pay gap if I just accept the childcare bill

The childcare bill surly will be paid by both parents so what has it to do with gender pay gap?

OP, as PP pointed out you can’t ask for your employer to pay for a professional to do household duties that you usually do just so that the other person in charge (i.e. your DP) don’t have to inconvenience themselves.

EarthaKittsVoice · 01/02/2024 15:21

Bearbookagainandagain · 01/02/2024 08:26

Why would OP's husband be OP's employer unpaid babysitter for 8 days?

I have argued this to my husband anytime his manager is asking him to work on Saturdays. I didn't choose to have children on my own, we do 50/50 and if he can't do his share then he has to work it out. What his employer wants and the fact that he won't say "no" isn't my problem, he can't assume I'll be available.

Thank you.

It is not down to the OPs partner to switch around things at home to comply with the OPs employers requests. It shouldn't be a juggling act for working parents.

I always think the employer is taking the mick in these situations but so many comply without discussion or asking questions. Or basically just saying No this doesn't work for me.

Why work over your hours for no pay/reimbursement? Why shouldn't the employment contract be beneficial both ways?

incywincyspidery · 01/02/2024 15:22

Your contract requires you to do whatever it takes to fulfill your role and you'll potentially incur costs associated with that- travel costs, food costs and yes, childcare costs. So although what they are asking is quite a long trip for you with having a young child, it is within your contract. Your employer should not be responsible for your related costs in the same way as they aren't responsible for your regular childcare costs or your travel costs getting to and from work. Because you've worked in an office for 8 years, this has understandably come out of the blue for you but the potential was always there. It could have happened at any time and could possibly happen again next month and the month after. In which case it may be that it stops being the right role for you at this stage in your life but the responsibility is with you to either adapt to your role or choose to look for a new one.

WhenWereYouUnderMe · 01/02/2024 15:27

Did someone upthread call the child's dad 'the OP's unpaid babysitter'!? 🤯

Littlegoth · 01/02/2024 15:31

SugarHorse · 01/02/2024 13:41

So what! A lot of the population have chosen to have dogs - should their employers pay for doggy day care if the owner has to make a business trip?

That’s not in any way comparable. Ridiculous comment.

IvyIvyIvy · 01/02/2024 15:32

Worth asking. My husband's contract has childcare funded (an ad hoc nanny service) so that he doesn't need to be absent from work when childcare has fallen through. My work allowed me to bring my breastfed baby to a work conference. Times are changing.

arethereanyleftatall · 01/02/2024 15:34

WhenWereYouUnderMe · 01/02/2024 15:27

Did someone upthread call the child's dad 'the OP's unpaid babysitter'!? 🤯

Yup, they really did. Welcome to entitled Britain 2024.

mitogoshi · 01/02/2024 15:34

It's worth stating that travelling will incur x extra in child care costs, see what they say? Some places do cover this but you need to prove it's additional to your normal costs, ex's place covers dog kennels too.

IvyIvyIvy · 01/02/2024 15:35

IvyIvyIvy · 01/02/2024 15:32

Worth asking. My husband's contract has childcare funded (an ad hoc nanny service) so that he doesn't need to be absent from work when childcare has fallen through. My work allowed me to bring my breastfed baby to a work conference. Times are changing.

Or if I'm travelling for work or ill, he can use the nanny service.

Nanaof1 · 01/02/2024 15:35

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 07:45

@DivergentTris yes were both parents, and no, our child is not an inconvenience. I’m amazed that so many people support the “business “
I don’t accept that childcare is mainly the mothers role, and actually would argue that putting a value on childcare to an employer rather than it being a freebie is key to equality.
Business vs lifestyle choices? What bullshit. You’re perpetuating that women can’t work after children

No, you are perpetuating that women cannot handle their work contract unless the employer takes on more cost because the women are incapable of sorting out any childcare change-arounds. If you were a man, this would not be a question, so why is it for you? You are right, childcare is NOT mainly the mother's role. It is 50/50 with a DP/DH/SO, so your DH needs to step up to the plate and stop twisting the facts to fit your agenda.

Hmmmmaybe · 01/02/2024 15:38

@Littlegoth why is it not comparable? You can’t leave a dog on its own. So you either get someone you know to look aftrt it or pay someone. Exactly as with a child.

ElaineMBenes · 01/02/2024 15:40

WhenWereYouUnderMe · 01/02/2024 15:27

Did someone upthread call the child's dad 'the OP's unpaid babysitter'!? 🤯

Yep.
Ridiculous but not surprising.
I'm currently on an international trip for work and I was asked today how my husband is coping while I'm away. Funnily enough nobody asks him that question when he travels.

Reugny · 01/02/2024 15:41

Hmmmmaybe · 01/02/2024 15:38

@Littlegoth why is it not comparable? You can’t leave a dog on its own. So you either get someone you know to look aftrt it or pay someone. Exactly as with a child.

A dog isn't a human being.

The reason employers offer to pay for childcare expenses and have policies to cover care of other relatives is because they don't want a discrimination case brought against them.

SauronsArsehole · 01/02/2024 15:41

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 06:22

@Spangler son is in nursery full time, im asking for the incremental cover as I won’t be able to do drop off and pick up

You get your husband to do it.

honestly this is what marriage and having kids is. You both make compromises in terms of your respective careers to raise your children.

he can do the drop offs and pick ups for that time OR you ask for other help from family/friends.

your childcare costs are your responsibility and your employer should be compensating you adequately in terms of travel Costs and wages to cover the childcare of these trips.

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