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AIBU in not making up with DD just yet, or will leaving things make it worse?

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themoon66 · 20/03/2008 11:41

OK. I probably am, but would value opinions of MNers.

Background information: DD is in final year of fashion degree. She is aged 21. She sometimes comes home to do her cutting out of clothes as we have a large empty bedroom for her spread fabric out in. Her final collection has to be in on the last day in April. She also is desperate for models for her catwalk show in May and asked me to ask amongst my friends.

A friend and colleague of mine said her daughter could do modelling and was the right height, dress size etc. She is also a reasonably pretty girl.

Last night at 10.30pm me and DH went to pick DD up, along with all her fabric, patterns, sewing machine etc. Just before midnight as me and DH were making moves to get to bed, DD said??can I go on your computer?? We said ?yes, but don?t make yourself late for bed, you?ve a lot to do tomorrow etc.?

Anyway, as I was saying goodnight, I suddenly remembered the picture of the would-be model I?d found. I went in the study and said??oh I think I?ve found you a model, you will be pleased?. I put the photo in front of DD, who glanced briefly and said:

?God she?s ugly?!

My heart went fluttery and I felt terrible ? this is a friend?s precious daughter she is talking about. I said ?oh she is not that bad surely, and she?s the right size, height etc ? just what you wanted, and beggars cannot be chosers, she?s happy to do it for free, don?t be so nasty please?.

DD picked up the photo, threw it down and said ?oh come on mum, she?s got a face that looks like its been hit by a bus?! (how did I raise such a bitch I wonder).

To change the subject, as she was obviously in one of her ?moods? I said, ?what are you doing on the computer then, it looks interesting? I couldn?t actually see what she was doing and it just looked like a blue and white webpage. Well? with that, DD slams the laptop shut and says: ?for gods sake how dare you read my emails?!! I said ?I was not reading your emails, I just saw the banner at the top and read it out loud, I didn?t even KNOW it was emails.?

DD: ?Oh come on, you deliberately read my emails by standing so close and looking over my shoulder, of course you know they are emails?.

Now normally I would just say sorry and leave it at this, but last night I thought ?no, I wont be spoken to like this?? so I retaliated (also I was angry about her comments about the photo).

I laid into her and a massive slanging match ensued between the two of us. DH was hiding upstairs listening. I told her, loudly, that I would not be spoken to like that, this was MY computer, MY study, MY house and that she should show a bit of respect when people do her favours like letting her come home to cut out, sew, model for her, lend her computers to use etc. I said ?it?s always the same with you, you come here and act like the big I am and treat me like a bit of muck on your shoe?.

(reaching screaming pitch at each other by now)

She kept on about how her emails were private and I?d deliberately read them. I countered with ?I didn?t know they were emails, it looks like a web page and I couldn?t have read them from that distance anyway?.. and round we went, in circles.

I flounced out and went off to bed after more of the same, but louder. Then, as DH and I were in bed, we could hear her crying loudly and dramatically downstairs in the study. DH got out of bed to go to her and I said ?Oh leave her, she?s 21 and has to learn that she cannot be so rude to people?. He said ?I cannot leave my daughter crying downstairs?. I followed him? she started again about me reading her emails and off we went again.

6.30am this morning. DH comes in bedroom to wake me and tell me that he is taking DD back to uni right there and then. She refuses to stay. I could hear her down in the hall, still wittering about me reading her emails and DH trying to pacify her.

She is cutting off her own nose to spite her face by leaving. How the hell is she going to get her fabric cut out and her dress collection finished now? I suppose I will get the blame for her failing her degree because she says I don?t want her in the house.

Sorry? long story? but is it unreasonable of me to not ring her and beg her to come home today? Or should I ring and apologise for something I haven?t done (read emails). If I ring and even mention emails, we will be down the shouting route again I fear.

Did I behave unreasonably? Am I ^still behaving unreasonably by not contacting her today?

And I?m still very angry about her rudeness over the girl who offered to model.

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themoon66 · 20/03/2008 11:41

Blimey... that was long... sorry

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tissy · 20/03/2008 11:48

YANBU

There'll be somewhere she can use at college (not everyone has large spare rooms going free), and she can ask her friends to model for her/ go to a local school and ask some of the older girls...anything that involves her putting in the effort.

hanaflower · 20/03/2008 11:50

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StealthPolarBear · 20/03/2008 11:51

yanbu
doesn't fgeel that long ago that I was that ungrateful teenager to my parents
I would write her a letter telling her
-She was being a bitch about the girl - explain how upset you would feel to think someone was saying things like that about her
-You realise emails are private but that was a misunderstanding, you are sorry if she thought you were reading them
-You hope she will be able to apologise for bitchiness, come home and carry on her work

If she then chooses not to then it won't be your fault if she fails

StealthPolarBear · 20/03/2008 11:52

not that it is atm - just you will have done everything possible to make her ocme back iyswim

cory · 20/03/2008 11:52

She is 21. She'll just have to make other arrangements for somewhere to cut out her fabric. Her responsibility, not yours. And I imagine in her chosen profession it is pretty vital to learn that you don't get favours from people by quarrelling with them.

Not saying you should cut her out of your life or disinherit her or anything melodramatic like that.

But neither should you consider yourself responsible for her degree. If she fails, that's her lookout. She's an adult. She'll just have to do something else with her life.

cory · 20/03/2008 11:59

StealthPolarBear on Thu 20-Mar-08 11:51:29
"doesn't fgeel that long ago that I was that ungrateful teenager to my parents"

The slightly worrying aspect is that the OPs daughter is 21 years old and in the final year of a degree course, so should have got out of the teenage stage by now.

StealthPolarBear · 20/03/2008 12:01

true
I wasn't living with parents at 21 but if I was I don't know if I'd have still been an ungrateful not-so-teenager

margoandjerry · 20/03/2008 12:05

Is it possible she realised she was being nasty about the model so picked a fight about something else to cover her tracks? And now can't back down?

YANBU. She behaved very unpleasantly and needs to calm down. HOW you get her to do that is another matter....

WanderingTrolley · 20/03/2008 12:12

Christ.

She's 21, not 12.

If you really feel the need to do something, write her a note and say you're sorry (as in regret, not apology) that you and she have had words, and you would never invade her privacy.

Personally, I think you should let her stew. Cory's right - there is a huge amount of competition in her chosen field and having anger management problems will get you nowhere. THe exception to this rule is Naomi Campbell

I think she may have been stressed and, as we all do, taking it out on her nearest and dearest but she went too far.

I find it very telling that rather than sort out her own transport, she is taking a lift from her dad.

morningpaper · 20/03/2008 12:12

It would driv eme mad if my mum asked what I was doing on the computer - it's none of your business to ask - she will tell you if she wants to - so I can see why that would be annoying

But yes she was terribly rude about your friend's daughter and has no manners and is old enough to have some self-control. I wouldn't bother doing her that sort of favour again.

But you are being unreasonable not to make it up with her - a phone call is all it would take. Life's too short for grudges.

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 12:12

Gosh... thank you all for your relies - and reading my very long OP. You've cheered me up and I don't feel quite the bad mother/bitch/unfeeling cow i did before I posted.

I think I will call her and keep the conversation within PolarBear's 'model' of phone call.

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OrmIrian · 20/03/2008 12:15

YANBU.

I think I'd have kicked her out!

I would call her though but only if you aren't still cross with her (as I would be). No point in ringing up and starting the row over again.

pooka · 20/03/2008 12:16

YANBU. She behaved really badly and princessy. At 21 she should not be behaving like a brat. What is your dh's angle on this? He sounds a little, um, undermining to me.

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 12:18

she's always been very volatile and I spend most of my time around her treading on eggshells. Last night I stamped on those eggshells... perhaps I was testing the boundaries a bit. I don't want to fall out with her at all, but there is a long history of her stropping off at stupid rubbish.

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OrmIrian · 20/03/2008 12:18

Ah. Well leave her to stew then.

NiftyNanny · 20/03/2008 12:26

Sounds like Daddy lets her get away with it to a certain extent - the whole "I'm not leaving my daughter crying downstairs" when it sounded like it was quite... theatrical crying...

Can you talk to him about it and point out that she is old enough to show a bit of respect for other people - the girl in the photo and especially her mother? It's just not NICE to be a complete bitch. It won't do her any favours as she enters the world.

It's posts like this that make me so grateful for me own mother, yes I left home in fits of slapping and screaming at 16 but I've grown up an awful lot, probably because she let me get on with it and make my own mistakes. There's only so much the outside world will put up with, and once you realise that your parents are the people that will still forgive you when you mess up, you reign it in a bit and try and do as little as you can to give them cause for disappointment.

Let her stew, by all means get DH to have a word but she really should stop being allowed to be the prima donna here.

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 12:29

I want to ring her, but I am still so angry/weepy about it all. I do not want to to risk crying on the phone and her hearing me.

She did look VERY shocked for a instant last night when she realised I was 'going for it', rather than backing down like I normally do, for the sake of peace.

I DO think DH mollycoddles her a bit too much too and we do have regular words about this. She had no choice this morning but to ask him for a lift back to uni... we live in a place without public transport. Perhaps he should have said 'Yes, but you will have to wait until tonight'.

I just want her to not be so shouty and tetchy with everyone.

I suppose it is quite telling that she falls out with every flat mate she ever has too.

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NiftyNanny · 20/03/2008 12:41

Well, she's old enough to take responsibility for her behaviour now - falling out with flatmates will begin to play on her mind, hopefully. She'll be learning from all of that, and hopefully will start to pull her sock up a bit, as far as interacting with other people goes.

Don't feel like you "raised such a bitch" though, it's not your fault. Especially now she's old enough to have lived away from home.

Have a long chat with DH about it, and state your worries that by mollycoddling her he might be spoiling her and in the end, it's not going to do her any favours.

When I think about what a nightmare hell cat I was when I was younger, it's like a different person! I actually slapped my Mum once when I was 15... these days we go off on holiday together to New York and she's coming to visit me at easter "because I realised how cool a daughter you are and I miss you"

I mean, blimey, I was ten times as bad as your daughter but I just grew up, don't worry about it, some people just take a while to adjust! Uni is a strange halfway house type of place, and at 21 you still consider yourself very young and as though you're allowed to be irresponsible and get away with murder.

HTH

x

Buda · 20/03/2008 12:47

YANBU.

However I feel you DH was totally unreasonable to drive her back this morning. He has effectively taken her side.

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 12:53

DH has rung. He suggests 'she might like a phone call from you'....

In my own good time I think.

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Kewcumber · 20/03/2008 12:54

you haven't suggested to him that you might like a phone call from her?

morningpaper · 20/03/2008 12:55

I would just ring her

You are the REAL grown-up after all here

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 12:58

Ah morningpaper... the voice of reason

I will call her when I get home (I'm at work in a shared office). I need to have my wits about me and not have any bubbling anger before I make the call.

I may even require a cream cake to fortify me afterwards

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GetOrfMoiLand · 20/03/2008 13:03

Agree that your DH could have shown a bit more solidarity with you. Plus it does sound like drama queen crying downstairs.

I would not call her for a couple of days, not to let her stew, but you are still feeling upset at the mo and it would probably be best to wait until you feel a little more calm. I would email (ha!) or write her a letter saying that you are sorry that you had a row (but not sorry for anything you did iyswim), but she was very rude in slagging off that girl, accusing you of reading her emails and using your house as some sort of sweat shop/cutting room without being grateful. Then say it is all water under the bridge and just move on.

It is not your responsibility if she fails her degree, if she is silly enough to retreat in high dudgeon and not look for alternative space to work (how hard can that be ffs?) that is her own look out. She is 21.

Poor you though, this row sounds like one of those long-standing runners, she will probably still be referring to when 'mum read my emails and threw me and all my patterns out the house' when she is 44!

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