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AIBU in not making up with DD just yet, or will leaving things make it worse?

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themoon66 · 20/03/2008 11:41

OK. I probably am, but would value opinions of MNers.

Background information: DD is in final year of fashion degree. She is aged 21. She sometimes comes home to do her cutting out of clothes as we have a large empty bedroom for her spread fabric out in. Her final collection has to be in on the last day in April. She also is desperate for models for her catwalk show in May and asked me to ask amongst my friends.

A friend and colleague of mine said her daughter could do modelling and was the right height, dress size etc. She is also a reasonably pretty girl.

Last night at 10.30pm me and DH went to pick DD up, along with all her fabric, patterns, sewing machine etc. Just before midnight as me and DH were making moves to get to bed, DD said??can I go on your computer?? We said ?yes, but don?t make yourself late for bed, you?ve a lot to do tomorrow etc.?

Anyway, as I was saying goodnight, I suddenly remembered the picture of the would-be model I?d found. I went in the study and said??oh I think I?ve found you a model, you will be pleased?. I put the photo in front of DD, who glanced briefly and said:

?God she?s ugly?!

My heart went fluttery and I felt terrible ? this is a friend?s precious daughter she is talking about. I said ?oh she is not that bad surely, and she?s the right size, height etc ? just what you wanted, and beggars cannot be chosers, she?s happy to do it for free, don?t be so nasty please?.

DD picked up the photo, threw it down and said ?oh come on mum, she?s got a face that looks like its been hit by a bus?! (how did I raise such a bitch I wonder).

To change the subject, as she was obviously in one of her ?moods? I said, ?what are you doing on the computer then, it looks interesting? I couldn?t actually see what she was doing and it just looked like a blue and white webpage. Well? with that, DD slams the laptop shut and says: ?for gods sake how dare you read my emails?!! I said ?I was not reading your emails, I just saw the banner at the top and read it out loud, I didn?t even KNOW it was emails.?

DD: ?Oh come on, you deliberately read my emails by standing so close and looking over my shoulder, of course you know they are emails?.

Now normally I would just say sorry and leave it at this, but last night I thought ?no, I wont be spoken to like this?? so I retaliated (also I was angry about her comments about the photo).

I laid into her and a massive slanging match ensued between the two of us. DH was hiding upstairs listening. I told her, loudly, that I would not be spoken to like that, this was MY computer, MY study, MY house and that she should show a bit of respect when people do her favours like letting her come home to cut out, sew, model for her, lend her computers to use etc. I said ?it?s always the same with you, you come here and act like the big I am and treat me like a bit of muck on your shoe?.

(reaching screaming pitch at each other by now)

She kept on about how her emails were private and I?d deliberately read them. I countered with ?I didn?t know they were emails, it looks like a web page and I couldn?t have read them from that distance anyway?.. and round we went, in circles.

I flounced out and went off to bed after more of the same, but louder. Then, as DH and I were in bed, we could hear her crying loudly and dramatically downstairs in the study. DH got out of bed to go to her and I said ?Oh leave her, she?s 21 and has to learn that she cannot be so rude to people?. He said ?I cannot leave my daughter crying downstairs?. I followed him? she started again about me reading her emails and off we went again.

6.30am this morning. DH comes in bedroom to wake me and tell me that he is taking DD back to uni right there and then. She refuses to stay. I could hear her down in the hall, still wittering about me reading her emails and DH trying to pacify her.

She is cutting off her own nose to spite her face by leaving. How the hell is she going to get her fabric cut out and her dress collection finished now? I suppose I will get the blame for her failing her degree because she says I don?t want her in the house.

Sorry? long story? but is it unreasonable of me to not ring her and beg her to come home today? Or should I ring and apologise for something I haven?t done (read emails). If I ring and even mention emails, we will be down the shouting route again I fear.

Did I behave unreasonably? Am I ^still behaving unreasonably by not contacting her today?

And I?m still very angry about her rudeness over the girl who offered to model.

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themoon66 · 20/03/2008 16:30

Just been talking to my mother on the phone... according to her it's all my fault because I didn't smack her when she was little enough!

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TheAntiFlounce · 20/03/2008 16:33

Nobody's given Moon's daughter grief, Quint, and I am not so far from 21 myself either (not 30 yet anyway). She behaved disgustingly.

being too harsh would mean not forgiving her, not just refusing to prostrate yourself to a temper tantrum.

ChocolateRockingHorse · 20/03/2008 16:33

But she asked her mother to find her models.. one offered, free and to help this girl out.. and she refers to her ugly and like the back end of a bus??! You would be fine with this? Not at all upset?

Yes TheMoon's daughter deserves (and has obviously been getting) unconditional support while she completes her final year. That does NOT IMO mean she can get away scot free with treating those around her like shit despite her own level of stress.

TheMoon did NOT throw her out or even ask her to leave .. she ASKED to be TAKEN back to Uni in a brattish and self defeating gesture of amateur dramatics.

The ball lies in HER court really.. she is NOT a 12 year old!

However, IMO it would be a good thing for TheMoon to give her a ring and remind her she still has their love and support.. but that obnoxious behaviour like that won't be tolerated.

Buggered if I'd put up with that from mine.. and my oldest is only 15. He is far from angelic, we fall out, he mouths off.. but he DOES know how and when to apologise and does not treat other around him like crap, routinely.

If TheMoon's DD is going to make it in the fashion industry, with all it's divas, she is going to have to learn not to be one, and have to have tact, diplomacy and courtesy to boot.

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 16:35

Quint... I do see where you are coming from and, as I think I mentioned in earlier posts, I normally say sorry and keep the peace. I rarely lose my temper (twice in 21 years that I can recall).

Me and DH have been incredibly supportive of DD during this degree course. She has behaved badly at times and we have always, without fail, picked her up, dusted her off and set her right again.

I just felt last night that I could take no more Unfortunately I was unreasonable in how I spoke to her.

I will have to go back to my kid gloves/walking on eggshells approach then.

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ChocolateRockingHorse · 20/03/2008 16:37

No you won't TheMoon. Please don't. Tell her you love her, always have.. always will.. and will always be there for her, but will NOT be a doormat anymore, nor stand by and watch her expect the same from other people.

kingprawntikka · 20/03/2008 16:38

Helpful mother eh . expect thats just the kind of support you needed !
I don't think you have done anything wrong here. , Your daughter is an adult but behaving like a child. If she is going to behave like a child then you still need to 'mother' her, which means teaching her the right way to speak to people. You don't need to apologise ...she does.

QuintessentiallyAnEmptyCave · 20/03/2008 16:38

Maybe that is the thing, you thread on eggshells, and then you erupt. I know the feeling (usually it is my dh on the receiveing end though). Perhaps not a timely eruption, given her circumstances, so perhaps this is the perfect opportunity to sit down with her and talk to her about how to communicate so you DONT end up on eggshels, and you dont erupt.

lucyellensmum · 20/03/2008 16:39

I have to say i agree with quietness and was quite surprised to see that i would be the only YABU on here. There is nothing on earth like final exam, dissertation,final peice stress to fry your head. I know it is difficult, they can really push your buttons (children) at whatever age. I think i still had fights with my mother at that age, in fact im sure of it. Unless you have been there it is difficult to explain how the pressure feels, it is like your whole life depends on that one thing and everything that went before it is a waste if you dont achieve it.

Yes she was being brattish, but i can see why - i think you should make that phone call, swallow some pride, does it REALLY matter if she insists that you were reading her emails? It is not an issue that is important at this moment in time, she might have been touchy about it as it was sensitive (boyfriend maybe?) and the stress of everything just exploded.

To be honest, your daughter sounds lovely, responsible and has just got through three years of a degree - tell you what, you have mine for the summer, i'll have yours - tantrum over read emails?? Walk in the park!!

RING HER

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 16:43

Phone here I come.....

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lucyellensmum · 20/03/2008 16:44

I am not saying you should walk on eggshells with her, that behaviour is unacceptable, but i just feel that under the circumstances this battle wasnt the best one to pick.

I dont htink you should beg her to come home, just ring her, say that you are sorry she thought you were invading her privacey (yes i know you wasn't) that you wasnt, but you understand she is stressed, does she want her dad to come and fetch her? Yes - alls well, No, let her stew

GetOrfMoiLand · 20/03/2008 16:50

Hope the phone call goes well moon. Hopefully she will have calmed down and be all loving etc (eternal optimist).

I laughed when I read your post about you at 47 still remembering about your mum burning your art folder. My mum and aunt are in their late forties, and it can still cause a window shattering hysterical row if either of them ever brings up a row they had when they were 14 and 15, about one borrowing the others denim skirt without asking!!

Best of luck with your dd. I have all this to come...!

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 16:54

Phoned her... said sorry and she just laughed and said did I realise how upset she was? Did I know she'd been crying all night? Apparently I said last night that she wasn't welcome in this house (I don't remember saying that, but will have to take her word for it).

I said I would never ever read her emails in the same way I would never read a letter that was lying around if it wasn't mine. She said ok.

She was very aggressive and assertive and I was about to cry, so clipped the conversation short with 'ok, remember I love you'.

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ChocolateRockingHorse · 20/03/2008 16:55

LEM can see what you are saying.. but when you say she was being brattish but you can see why, surely you don't mean it is ok to dismiss that other poor girl as "too ugly" (even if Moon'sDD really thought she was unsuitable there are nicer ways of going about it.. like saying "oh thanks, but I've got someone already.. even if she hadn't.. she'd just have to find someone then, like she would have to if she didn't have a helpful supportive mother)..

..and accusing TheMoon of "reading her emails" (WTF?) when all TheMoon made was a polite/interested enquiry! Again, it may have irritated Moon'sDD but she could have said "Oh nothing you'd be interested Mum.. " in a jokey/nice fashion..

She is 21! She must have learnt some social skills by now. She needs to start engaging them.

I suppose one of the reasons I feel as I do is that I have had to watch (not always silently) my sister treat my mum like a piece of shit since we were children. My sister is now almost 31 and still does it. If TheMoon can prevent this by dispensing with the eggs shells now then I really think it would be a good thing if she did it. Better for Moon'sDD too.

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 16:56

Oh and she's shown the picture of the girl who has offered to model to some of her course mates and two of them are going to use her in their fashion catwalk shows. DD said sorry about saying what she said about the girl being ugly.

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chenin · 20/03/2008 16:57

But... give 'em an inch and they will take a mile! There is always something for them to stress about and sometimes you just have to put your foot down if they are rude.

With my DD I get pretty fed up of the excuses for rudeness and stressiness.... GCSE's, AS levels, A levels, Uni exams, driving test, loads of work to do, tired, blah blah blah. It's just excuses. We all have stresses in our lives but it is no reason to be rude, especially at 21.

And as for accidentally looking over her shoulder and your DD going beserk... ridiculous. Its alright for them to look over your shoulder when they want but if we take a step out of line, all hell breaks loose.

Themoon.. you sound wonderfully supportive of your DD. I personally will NOT tread on eggshells with my DDs, although I will give my unwavering support and time in whatever they do.

ChocolateRockingHorse · 20/03/2008 16:58

You've done all you can TheMoon. And been very nice about it under the circs. She'll have had time to climb high up on her soapbox since this morning and exaggerate the things you said to her in her mind (and to the people she's undoubtedly moaned about you to!) Hopefully now she'll climb down off it and give everything a bit of thought. She might never give you the apology you deserve but maybe she'll show it in other ways.

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 17:00

When I told her I hadnt read her emails and nor would I, she started again... so I said 'well I'm not starting that argument again' to which she just did a sarcastic laugh.

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ChocolateRockingHorse · 20/03/2008 17:01

Well the apology about the girl was nice. Good on your DD for that.

chenin · 20/03/2008 17:07

Sorry to be a cynic but if it were my DD... the only reason she would have apologised about being rude about the prospective model, would be because a couple of mates are going to use the girl in their fashion show.
She would realise she had missed out.

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 17:08

that's what I thought helliebean.

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chenin · 20/03/2008 17:10

Well your daughter sounds remarkably like my DD1... must be her twin!

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 17:15

I wish I could be half as assertive and quick off the mark in a conversation as my DD is. She ties me up with arguments and turns me into a gibbering wreck sometimes. She has all the answers.

I would never have dared to speak to my mother, or any adult, like she does when I was her age.

I do worry that one day, such an attitude will get her into serious trouble with the wrong person.

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QuintessentiallyAnEmptyCave · 20/03/2008 17:16

Good on you for making the call.

If a girl of 21 has a bad attitude, it is down to her, not necessarily anything her parents can do about, in fact, they are possibly the least likely to influence that and pick away the attitude. Give it a few years, and such brattish attitudes will be smoothed away after a few job interviews, a few jobs, etc....

All they can do is show love, and guidance, and hope that somewhere down the line the poor girl will be able to lick her wounds after she has been thrown to the lions. (Employers)

lucyellensmum · 20/03/2008 17:17

well done for phoning her moon. It is so very easy to be drawn into their arguments. My DD can have me behaving like a five year old within five minutes of walking into the room - its those buttons again.

You can't do anymore - you have made it clear she can come home, if she wants to sulk now then it is her decision - i daresay she will come round. Maybe you could email her, but i suspect that the thing to do now is step back - the ball is in her court now. She'll probably come round (you know, when she needs some washing done/money/credit on her phone) in her own time.

Bloody kids drive you mad and it appears it is never ending

VeniVidiVickiQV · 20/03/2008 17:21

Sounds like she watches too much Trisha between studies....

She's being manipulative. Stand firm. You can concede mistakes and apologise whilst standing firm. Which you have done. Good on you

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