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AIBU in not making up with DD just yet, or will leaving things make it worse?

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themoon66 · 20/03/2008 11:41

OK. I probably am, but would value opinions of MNers.

Background information: DD is in final year of fashion degree. She is aged 21. She sometimes comes home to do her cutting out of clothes as we have a large empty bedroom for her spread fabric out in. Her final collection has to be in on the last day in April. She also is desperate for models for her catwalk show in May and asked me to ask amongst my friends.

A friend and colleague of mine said her daughter could do modelling and was the right height, dress size etc. She is also a reasonably pretty girl.

Last night at 10.30pm me and DH went to pick DD up, along with all her fabric, patterns, sewing machine etc. Just before midnight as me and DH were making moves to get to bed, DD said??can I go on your computer?? We said ?yes, but don?t make yourself late for bed, you?ve a lot to do tomorrow etc.?

Anyway, as I was saying goodnight, I suddenly remembered the picture of the would-be model I?d found. I went in the study and said??oh I think I?ve found you a model, you will be pleased?. I put the photo in front of DD, who glanced briefly and said:

?God she?s ugly?!

My heart went fluttery and I felt terrible ? this is a friend?s precious daughter she is talking about. I said ?oh she is not that bad surely, and she?s the right size, height etc ? just what you wanted, and beggars cannot be chosers, she?s happy to do it for free, don?t be so nasty please?.

DD picked up the photo, threw it down and said ?oh come on mum, she?s got a face that looks like its been hit by a bus?! (how did I raise such a bitch I wonder).

To change the subject, as she was obviously in one of her ?moods? I said, ?what are you doing on the computer then, it looks interesting? I couldn?t actually see what she was doing and it just looked like a blue and white webpage. Well? with that, DD slams the laptop shut and says: ?for gods sake how dare you read my emails?!! I said ?I was not reading your emails, I just saw the banner at the top and read it out loud, I didn?t even KNOW it was emails.?

DD: ?Oh come on, you deliberately read my emails by standing so close and looking over my shoulder, of course you know they are emails?.

Now normally I would just say sorry and leave it at this, but last night I thought ?no, I wont be spoken to like this?? so I retaliated (also I was angry about her comments about the photo).

I laid into her and a massive slanging match ensued between the two of us. DH was hiding upstairs listening. I told her, loudly, that I would not be spoken to like that, this was MY computer, MY study, MY house and that she should show a bit of respect when people do her favours like letting her come home to cut out, sew, model for her, lend her computers to use etc. I said ?it?s always the same with you, you come here and act like the big I am and treat me like a bit of muck on your shoe?.

(reaching screaming pitch at each other by now)

She kept on about how her emails were private and I?d deliberately read them. I countered with ?I didn?t know they were emails, it looks like a web page and I couldn?t have read them from that distance anyway?.. and round we went, in circles.

I flounced out and went off to bed after more of the same, but louder. Then, as DH and I were in bed, we could hear her crying loudly and dramatically downstairs in the study. DH got out of bed to go to her and I said ?Oh leave her, she?s 21 and has to learn that she cannot be so rude to people?. He said ?I cannot leave my daughter crying downstairs?. I followed him? she started again about me reading her emails and off we went again.

6.30am this morning. DH comes in bedroom to wake me and tell me that he is taking DD back to uni right there and then. She refuses to stay. I could hear her down in the hall, still wittering about me reading her emails and DH trying to pacify her.

She is cutting off her own nose to spite her face by leaving. How the hell is she going to get her fabric cut out and her dress collection finished now? I suppose I will get the blame for her failing her degree because she says I don?t want her in the house.

Sorry? long story? but is it unreasonable of me to not ring her and beg her to come home today? Or should I ring and apologise for something I haven?t done (read emails). If I ring and even mention emails, we will be down the shouting route again I fear.

Did I behave unreasonably? Am I ^still behaving unreasonably by not contacting her today?

And I?m still very angry about her rudeness over the girl who offered to model.

OP posts:
WallOfSilence · 20/03/2008 13:04

I had been married for a year at 21.

I thought by that age the fights with parents should be over.

YANBU to be annoyed at her for shouting at you & telling lies on you. Why the hell would you want to read her e-mails?

But I did pick up on the line: "that I would not be spoken to like that, this was MY computer, MY study, MY house and that she should show a bit of respect when people do her favours like letting her come home to cut out, sew, model for her, lend her computers to use etc."

Do you think she feels unwanted at home? The fact that you feel it is a favour to let her come home? I would like to feel that even now at the age of 30 my mother wouldn't be doing me a favour by letting me come home..............

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 13:12

WallOfSilence - She told DH I made her feel unwelcome. I do regret my words coming out like that. She makes me so cross though and I did lose my temper with her quite badly

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beaniesteve · 20/03/2008 13:20

I think it's fair enough that she doesn't want to use a particular model for her show. unfortunately the fashion world doesn't have hugely ugly models and it's not all about being the right size and weight. If you're butt ugly you won't get a job as a model and having a plain or ugly person modelling her clothes could (Unfortunately) have a detrimental effect on her course work/mark.

But - she shouldn't be relying on your friends to provide models so I think that was very rude of her.

Also - she's 21! When I went to University the very act of being on my own in a strange town with new friends, new surroundings and being responsible for my own money etc made me into a nicer parson (I like to think) and at the very least made me appreciate my parnts a lot more.

So I am surprised that she has managed to go through a whole course and not learn to be a nicer more independent person!

Have you protected her too much?

wastingmyeducation · 20/03/2008 13:27

A view from an habitual procrastinating student for you. The symptoms you describe sound like she is bricking it because she's not confident with what she's done and maybe hasn't planned ahead enough, re: the models. Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face is what perfectionists do when they don't think their work will be perfect, creating an excuse to fail that lays the blame anywhere other than themselves. Of course, she probably won't realise this, and I'm not sure there's a simple way for you to react this, but it might be worth bearing in mind.

xx

camillathechicken · 20/03/2008 13:35

if you don;t usually argue back, then neither of you are going to know how to react

however,i think your DH is in the wrong for effectively taking her side, and making her think her behaviour is ok

your daughter needs to learn how to say thanks but no thanks nicely, not go off on one

morningpaper · 20/03/2008 13:36

I agree with wasting

I also remember that being 21 was stressful and horrible and you didn't know how you fitted it anywhere

Tough love is not doing their ironing - not refusing to call when they are distressed, even if it is their own stupid fault

I'm sure there are times when we all wished our mothers had shown a little more unconditional love xx

ingles2 · 20/03/2008 13:41

Y are so NBU!
Sorry Moon, but I don't think you should be phoning trying to make up...I think she should.
Her behaviour sounds desperately panicked, rude and arrogant and I think the sooner she realises she can't talk to people like that and still expect their support and help the better.

ingles2 · 20/03/2008 13:45

MP I think the OP's DD is very secure in her parents love which is why she thinks she can talk to her mother like this. Maybe OP should go for the middle ground then.
Send her a text saying, you love her and will support her in any which way, but you won't be spoken to/treated like that

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 13:51

Yes Ingles... that is exactly what I want to say, but I'm rubbish at putting it over. I want to tell her I love her, but I want her stop this snippy, drama queen, centre of universe stuff.

Because I am rubbish at putting my case across reasonably, I fear the conversation will degenerate into more shouting again and she is VERY good at having the last word/making me look a fool.

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cory · 20/03/2008 13:53

So three suggestions coming out of the combined MN wisdom:

make it up with her (but not abjectly)

have a quiet chat with dh about encouraging her to grow up, for her own sake

accept that the degree course and other aspects of her adult life are her responsiblity

Sounds good to me.

NiftyNanny · 20/03/2008 13:54

Here, here Ingles. DH is still trying to make everything better for DD, when in fact DD might have to learn a lesson here and there about how to behave.

Moon, if you regret the way things came out, tell her that she is welcome and she's your daughter and you love her, but sometimes you don't love the way she treats you.

NiftyNanny · 20/03/2008 13:55

PS Mum used to say "I love you so much, but I don't have to like everything you do"

It def. made me think about what was acceptable behaviour.

ingles2 · 20/03/2008 13:55

Send a text or an email then Moon. Gives you a chance to compose what you want to say, remind her you love her, but what your boundarys are and gives her a chance to calm down and think things over.

TheAntiFlounce · 20/03/2008 13:55

YANBU

She is (sorry I know this is your precious DD) being unbelievably spoilt and bratty.

No, you should not apologise - make it clear she can come home, but she may not be foul to you.

She would not treat anyone else like that, many people are mothers at her age, and she has no right to speak to you like that either.

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 14:27

Am leaving work in a minute. I'll call DD when I get home around 3.15pm. I don't want witnesses if things get nasty and DS won't be in from school until 4pm.

I'll let you know how i get on.

And to think I used to whinge about her throwing a strop in Tesco when she was 2. I wish I'd know how much worse it was going to get.

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themoon66 · 20/03/2008 14:35

Perhaps a passive-aggressive approach?

Or am I thinking about this too deeply?

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ingles2 · 20/03/2008 14:40

Only phone if you are calm Moon or you might make things worse.
Good luck

TheAntiFlounce · 20/03/2008 14:56

Be very very sure about the way you expect and deserve to be spoken to and treated before you pick that phone up, Moon.

themoon66 · 20/03/2008 15:36

GetOrfMoiLand - she will probably still be referring to when 'mum read my emails and threw me and all my patterns out the house' when she is 44!

This rings a bell... I'm 47 and still refer to the time when my mum threw me out of the house and burned my A-level art folder

I'm home, but I've still not made the call[coward emoticon]

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ChocolateRockingHorse · 20/03/2008 15:47

Call her Moon.

You can do it. We're all here to support you.

Tell he she's been a cow but that you love her anyway. But you'd like there to be less cow-like behaviour from now on.

bozza · 20/03/2008 15:54

I definitely think she is stressed regarding her collection and is taking it out on you.

kekouan · 20/03/2008 16:06

YANBU - leave it a while

QuintessentiallyAnEmptyCave · 20/03/2008 16:16

Yes you did behave unreseasonably.

She is at the end of her degree and probably has her brain in a flop.

What is your excuse? Grown woman and all...

I remember when I was at the end of my final year exams, doing my dissertation, and I had arranged for my mum to come and have lunch with me. (I lived in a flat in town, shared with friends, I was 20, and it was before I came to London)

I woke up by the telephone, it was the hairdresser downstairs, my mum had been knocking on my door for an eternity. I had fallen asleep in a pile of books, had forgotten about lunch. I let my mum in and apologised, she said. Go get some rest, forget lunch, I shall cook us up something. One hour later, food was on the table, and the kitchen shining. (It was my week for doing dishes, and there had been nothing clean)

That is what parents should do, support our kids at crucial junctions in their lives, not give them grief and aggrevate them. Shame on you.

ChocolateRockingHorse · 20/03/2008 16:20

Crikey Quintess.. how old are yours? Are you going to let them treat you/other people like that when they are 21? Unconditional love does not mean allowing your grown up kids to walk all over you and other people without any reprisal! If TheMoon has always been a loving caring parent (as I'm sure she has) then her DD is hardly going to think otherwise now despite the melodrama.

When your mum arrived and made everything all right for you in your moment of need you hadn't just been acting like a poisonous bitch had you? You'd merely fallen asleep!

QuintessentiallyAnEmptyCave · 20/03/2008 16:24

I think, sometimes parenting requires a little more understanding of underlaying issues and not just blasting off because you feel hard done by.

I hate it when people stand above my shoulders, when I am mumsnetting or doing emails, for all you know she could have had an upsetting email, or she could be feeling to stressed out to start getting her collection onto a live model, etc.

My children are 6 and 3. But I remember being 21. I have also had a number of 19 -21 year old au pairs in the house, so will say I have a good few years experience with the age group.

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