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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask if you work or are a SAHP..

832 replies

DontBeTight · 26/01/2024 15:58

Just that really, those of you who have children under school age. Do you work, or do you stay at home? Or work part time? My youngest won't start school until 2026 so I'm considering giving up work and having the rest of the time full time at home with her as my income makes very little difference to the household.

Those who stay at home, do you enjoy it?

OP posts:
Fliopen · 26/01/2024 17:48

catelynjane · 26/01/2024 17:35

I agree with you about marriage, but unfortunately having access to joint finances means very little really, as there's nothing stopping your partner emptying the joint account if they so choose.

So many women (and it's always women) leave themselves with no income and no way of supporting themselves if it all goes wrong. They may swear down that their partner won't cheat or leave them, but that's not the only thing that can leave you up shit creek, sadly.

See my previous posts on critical illness cover, income protection and life insurance. All of which any SAHP should have in place.

Tagyoureit · 26/01/2024 17:49

I'm a sahp and I do like it, it makes life easier all round as I'm here for the kids, 9 and 4, and my for my elderly parent. However, if I could get a little job for maybe 3 to 4 hours a day whilst the kids are in school then I would.

I do miss working at my old job, i loved it and was good at it but it was never a "career" as such. I was due to return after mat leave but covid hit and when I was asked back, we crunched the numbers and it would have actually cost us money for me to return to work with wrap around child care for the eldest, nursery fees for the youngest and a travel card. It seemed ludicrous to put myself back to commuting for 3 hours a day, working a stressful job which I did love but, in hindsight, wasn't very parent friendly, for literally no money!

I do look for jobs that are work for home but, to be honest, I don't even understand the job title sometimes or they want full time hours which I can't accommodate right now.

I did even go for an interview for a local job but the interview was gruelling, with tests etc that I wasn't made aware of before hand so couldn't prepare properly so I didn't get that job.

I do feel kinda stuck sometimes but the kids love having me about and at their age, my mum was never around, she was always at work, I spent a lot of my childhood alone.

ThatsMintThat · 26/01/2024 17:49

My husband is works in the insurance industry so don't worry we have all the cover we need 😂

Emeraldrings · 26/01/2024 17:53

I stayed at home with my eldest two and absolutely loved it. Went part time when they were 10 and 8.
Unfortunately I increased my hours before DS was born and couldn't afford to stop working. I'm giving up work in July though as DS has additional needs and is going to need extra support before starting school.
It's easier as you don't have to worry about drop off, pick up, unexpected school/nursery closures. I loved being able to just take the kids out if it was a nice day and we did go to lots of groups which I didn't enjoy but they absolutely loved.

Oliotya · 26/01/2024 17:55

SAHM working very part time. DH earns 6 figures, so thankfully I don't "have" to work. I've enjoyed being at home, but youngest is almost 2 now and making steps towards working more as it's become a bit monotonous. Shan't be full time though as I really value being very available for my kids.

WithACatLikeTread · 26/01/2024 17:57

0rangeCrush · 26/01/2024 17:43

You can be equally protected if unmarried.

That is a myth.

bakewellbride · 26/01/2024 17:57

@0rangeCrush you can have some protection and that's great but it is not equal to marriage.

ThePoetsWife · 26/01/2024 17:57

pregnancymakesmeeatapples · 26/01/2024 17:40

@ThePoetsWife A lot of women don't have careers or pension contributions to begin with - I had dead end job after dead end job that rotted my brain with a just above minimum wage salary. For YEARS. And that's with a STEM degree from a red brick, RG uni. By 34 I ended up an alcoholic from being trapped in that situation.

Now I'm not working, I'm also not drinking. My brain isn't being wasted everyday any more, and I lost nothing because I never had a career or pension to begin with.

The average woman doesn't have a career, she has a job to make ends meet, and actually finding your way into a career is a bit more of a luxury than you realize.

That's your experience though.

Many of my female friends, acquaintances and family all work in career type jobs including my mum, MIL and aunts.

catelynjane · 26/01/2024 17:58

Fliopen · 26/01/2024 17:48

See my previous posts on critical illness cover, income protection and life insurance. All of which any SAHP should have in place.

Except the vast majority do not.

DryRotter · 26/01/2024 17:59

ThatsMintThat · 26/01/2024 17:47

This job would be my goal

https://www.google.com/search?q=perinatal+mental+health+team+careers&scaesv=601771759&rlz=1CDGOYIIenGB651GB651&hl=en-GB&ei=r--zZbybFvyqhbIPvpuFyAQ&oq=perinatal+mental+health+team+careers&gslp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIiRwZXJpbmF0YWwgbWVudGFsIGhlYWx0aCB0ZWFtIGNhcmVlcnMyBhAAGBYYHjILEAAYgAQYigUYhgMyBRAhGKABMgUQIRifBTIFECEYnwUyBRAhGJ8FMgUQIRifBTIFECEYnwVImSlQwgRYlCZwBXgAkAEAmAGHAaAB-AiqAQM3LjW4AQPIAQD4AQHCAg0QABiABBiKBRhDGLADwgIIEAAYgAQYsAPCAg4QLhiABBjHARivARiwA8ICBRAAGIAEwgIHECEYChigAcICBBAhGAriAwQYASBBiAYBkAYR&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=tldetail&htidocid=ON1ZYI5wtmaxfOegAAAAAA%3D%3D&htiq=perinatal%20mental%20health%20team%20careers&htivrt=jobs

I very much want to work in perinatal mental health as I had PND and the team absolutely saved my life. So I do have ambitions no matter how small.

That’s an amazing goal. I worked in a perinatal mental health team for eight years. We need motivated people, and your healthcare experience will be invaluable!

SouthLondonMum22 · 26/01/2024 17:59

DryRotter · 26/01/2024 17:37

I don’t think most people give it a second thought other than when it comes up on words like this. However, I do want the gender pay gap to be closed. I do want my teenage son and daughter to have equal opportunities in the workforce. I do want men to share childcare from day one.

Time and time again it is the woman that gives up work. When a child has special needs, it is rarely the man that gives up his career. I don’t believe that many men and women actually want this status quo to change. And threads like this prove it.

I agree.

My issue isn't at an individual level - people can and should do what they believe is best.

My issue is at a societal level and what it means for things such as equality within the work place, the gender pay gap and sexism such as how the mother is usually the default parent and the double standards when it comes to working mothers vs working fathers.

MooseBreath · 26/01/2024 18:02

I am a SAHP with two children (3.5 and 1).

Sometimes I like it and sometimes I really don't. I'm happy that I am the one spending the most time with my children, so I get to see most of their "firsts". I get to play with them every day, take them on outings to the library and park and swimming, and I get to hear them talking and laughing pretty much whenever I want.I also have to deal with every single meltdown, every act of "naughtiness", and all of the whining. So much whining. Every day flows into the next and I never get to properly switch off.

I am a SAHP because DH works long hours and brings in a lot more money than I ever could. If I worked in my desired field (what I am trained to do and good at), our family would lose out financially due to nursery fees. While I understand that I am not protecting myself financially, I am currently a low risk of divorce, and our family needs every bit of money DH earns in today's economy. Would I work if it made financial sense in my family's position? Probably part time, just for my own sanity so that I could sometimes speak to someone whose primary interests aren't monster trucks and Numberblocks.

pregnancymakesmeeatapples · 26/01/2024 18:02

@ThePoetsWife

But you're advising someone based on the assumption that they're the same as your circle. You're talking about her losing her career etc, when it turns out her situation is more aligned with mine

Thepeopleversuswork · 26/01/2024 18:03

I work FT, have done since DD was born (she's nearly 13). Am a single mum so staying at home was never on the cards for me.

Hard to be certain if you'd enjoy something you haven't tried but I'm fairly sure being a SAHM wouldn't have worked for me: I love my career and I find the prospect of being reliant on someone else's money absolutely terrifying. No judgement of people who don't work but it would have made me very anxious and restless.

Horses for courses and I can see some benefits from being at home but on balance I'm quite glad the choice was taken out of my hands: its allowed me to build a successful career and I'm completely financially self-sufficient and never have to worry about someone else's contribution.

There were some negatives in the very early years of having to take my DD into childcare when I went into an office five days a week (mainly for me as opposed to her) but the long term benefits far outweigh it in my view.

YouJustDoYou · 26/01/2024 18:04

SAHP, 3 under 10.5. It was hell for the first few years, but got a bit better when they started school. Now they're all older I love it.

ThePoetsWife · 26/01/2024 18:04

pregnancymakesmeeatapples · 26/01/2024 18:02

@ThePoetsWife

But you're advising someone based on the assumption that they're the same as your circle. You're talking about her losing her career etc, when it turns out her situation is more aligned with mine

True and also it looks like what a previous poster said about working parents more like to have successful children Is probably correct.

All my DC have proper careers and I see the same for DC in my circle.

ThePoetsWife · 26/01/2024 18:06

MooseBreath · 26/01/2024 18:02

I am a SAHP with two children (3.5 and 1).

Sometimes I like it and sometimes I really don't. I'm happy that I am the one spending the most time with my children, so I get to see most of their "firsts". I get to play with them every day, take them on outings to the library and park and swimming, and I get to hear them talking and laughing pretty much whenever I want.I also have to deal with every single meltdown, every act of "naughtiness", and all of the whining. So much whining. Every day flows into the next and I never get to properly switch off.

I am a SAHP because DH works long hours and brings in a lot more money than I ever could. If I worked in my desired field (what I am trained to do and good at), our family would lose out financially due to nursery fees. While I understand that I am not protecting myself financially, I am currently a low risk of divorce, and our family needs every bit of money DH earns in today's economy. Would I work if it made financial sense in my family's position? Probably part time, just for my own sanity so that I could sometimes speak to someone whose primary interests aren't monster trucks and Numberblocks.

Edited

But nursery and childcare fees are a joint expense - the DC's father is their parent as well?? I don't get why it's the mother's burden

PlumberORTiler · 26/01/2024 18:06

I've done both and now working.

I wouldn't change it for the world, yes a lot of the time it was hard. I certainly didn't have large disposable income to fritter on fun stuff we were cut to the bone and made things last.

However I believe it was the best thing for my dc.
If I could go back in time and make it perfect for me I would have coped better with perhaps 1 or 2 days working and family help for half a day.

That would have been great to get one day off!

The time has flown by though and pensions and everything else are OK.

toomanyleggings · 26/01/2024 18:06

I worked part time evenings from home until dd was 3 and now do full time some evenings and a couple of days. All from home though so essentially I feel like I do the sahm mum thing and the working mum thing. Not always easy but I don’t like nurseries for babies and toddlers or having to put the kids in after school. I did it it with my older dc and hated it

PlumberORTiler · 26/01/2024 18:12

@ThePoetsWife

All these things are based on narrow studies.

What are they comparing it too?

Children with an educated parent at home speaking higher language go to depths a poorly paid nursery worker could never do or want to do.

Why would that impact small dc in professional carers it's impossible to work that out.
Long term unemployment generally with children and uneducated mother?..

I can't fathom how being in care from months old improves chances compared too a sahm who then goes back to work?

Sensibleprawn · 26/01/2024 18:12

I’ve been SAHM since my DC were born . They are now teens . It has been the right choice for our family , DH stepped up to advance his career ( he was often out of the country anyway) and one of my kids struggles with school so it’s been good to be around to give him extra support.

I loved the early years , now I’m mum taxi and starting to get more free time , sometimes a bit bored mid afternoon ! No real regrets though . DH has a good salary but we have had to be careful financially - I don’t think anyone’s gone without but we don’t fritter money .

catelynjane · 26/01/2024 18:12

ThePoetsWife · 26/01/2024 18:06

But nursery and childcare fees are a joint expense - the DC's father is their parent as well?? I don't get why it's the mother's burden

It's not, but sometimes it leaves the whole family worse off to put children in childcare, and not everyone can afford to lose an entire salary and then some.

MooseBreath · 26/01/2024 18:16

ThePoetsWife · 26/01/2024 18:06

But nursery and childcare fees are a joint expense - the DC's father is their parent as well?? I don't get why it's the mother's burden

DH and I have pooled our money ever since we got married. DH makes 5x what I make. It would be ridiculous for him to give up hours to do raise the children for me to make a pittance.

ThePoetsWife · 26/01/2024 18:17

PlumberORTiler · 26/01/2024 18:12

@ThePoetsWife

All these things are based on narrow studies.

What are they comparing it too?

Children with an educated parent at home speaking higher language go to depths a poorly paid nursery worker could never do or want to do.

Why would that impact small dc in professional carers it's impossible to work that out.
Long term unemployment generally with children and uneducated mother?..

I can't fathom how being in care from months old improves chances compared too a sahm who then goes back to work?

It's what I am seeing in my circle though with the vast majority of DC with decent education and successful careers 🤷🏻‍♀️

WithACatLikeTread · 26/01/2024 18:19

I thought if a child has a speech issue it actually improves by going to nursery?

Also viewing wages as pittance. Yes but it is your money and you can spend it as you like!

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