To go to the shop with Covid?

[Homelessnottoothless]

My friend has Covid. Feeling crap but not at death’s door if you know what I mean.
I text her today to check and see how she was and if she needed anything. She said she didn’t as she was just back from the shops and got all she needed.
I said “should you be out with Covid” and she got really annoyed and said it isn’t the way it used to be and you can go out without a mask even though you are testing positive.
I didn’t want to cause an argument so I just said “ I don’t think you can” and left it like that. She is now bombarding my phone with links and all sorts trying to prove it is ok. I could have gone to get her anything she needed. She insists life goes on as normal and nobody needs to stay home.
AIBU thinking it is incredibly selfish to do this?

I've had a cough for about 6 weeks now. Sometimes it wakes me at night & interrupts me speaking to others. I reckon it started when I caught a germ off of DS. He had antibiotics & got better. I was around vulnerable people who themselves never got symptoms, from day 7-14. I don't test because I don't know why (now) covid is more important than flu, RSV, adenovirus, GBS, HIb, common cold coronaviruses or ... and even I didn't have covid I could have had (all together or in unbroken sequence) flu, RSV, adenovirus, GBS, HIb, common cold coronaviruses or ...

Was I supposed to stay home for the last 6 weeks ?

FFS, of course she could and should go to the shops! Better still, tell her to stop testing because absolutely nobody's bothered whether or not she has Covid.

Should add, other than tiredness in 1st few weeks, I've felt normal & been out doing all my normal stuff, lots of rigorous exercise.

Personally I think I have a kind of intermittant asthma. But could be well infectious, too.

Yes, she was selfish.

If you enjoy hurting other people then yes. Selfishness

There is a requirement to isolate for 5 days in Ireland either from onset of symptoms or positive test.
I've just had Covid and this is the advise on the official HSE website.
However, nobody else in the household has to restrict movements and I did not self isolate from my family either, I just stayed home for the time specified.

Of course she can go to the shops. There are no Covid restrictions anymore thank goodness, they were dropped a long time ago now. You are behind the times on this.

Personally, I don't test for Covid anymore and haven't for at least 18 months. If I feel particularly ill then I stay at home as much as I can. If I feel just a bit below par then I just go about my day as usual.

I had a very heavy cold in early December. I suppose it might have been a variant of Covid but I wouldn't know as I didn't test. To be honest, I no longer know anyone who does test.

I still had to go to work with covid, wore a mask all the time and I work in care.

There are no restrictions so your friend is correct. As for the morality, well that’s subjective. Going to the shops with COVID does not fit with your morals but it fits with your friends morals. Some people will agree with your friend while others will agree with you. There is no correct answer. Your morals don’t trump your friends, or vice versa.

You have absolutely no idea you ignorant fool.

current guidance doesn’t insist on isolation if you have Covid alrhough if I felt unwell I wouldn’t go into a shop, work or anywhere I could pass onto someone vulnerable whether it be a cold, flu, Covid or any other bug. She’s not incorrect but maybe been a little selfish in my opinion.

In my school kids are allowed in with covid if they're well enough, we're not 🤷‍♀️. Should she have gone to the shop, no, but she is allowed.

I currently have Covid and have been in hospital and spent the last few days coughing up blood I’m starting to think their should be restrictions as I have never been this unwell

Twice i got covid from shops because of selfish people!

She can if she likes. It's like going out when you have flu, or any other contagious disease. It's pretty selfish not to at least wear a mask, minimise going out and if you are socialising then tell people you have it so they can do their own 'risk assessment.' As you would if you were sick with anything else contagious.
Some people are still very worried about covid, maybe explain that to her and say it's just best practice to avoid going out till she's better. She will probably be over it soon.

If you've had your 10th booster and still getting covid, and afraid to go to the shop, then you need to give your head a good wobble.

Morally she’s wrong but then a lot of people don’t give a shit about others. She’ll take the time off work paid but won’t give up her leisure time.

Covid is now the same as any other contagious illness.

Our household has probably had norovirus this week (can’t obviously test for it), but because we haven’t wanted to infect others we’ve isolated during symptoms.

Our son caught influenza A, he’s housebound but clearly someone gave him the infection.

The best thing you can do is not get into a debate as people will not change their habits just because you want them to.

@Homelessnottoothless

it is, but many people are selfish.

i know it's an internationally used forum, but if you're not in England where the majority of posters are, it really does pay to say where you're posting from if laws could be different.

I'm vulnerable, & yes, other viruses, illnesses etc could also be very bad/fatal to me, to people not even wearing a mask, let alone staying home when they're ill, especially when they don't have to go out strikes me as very selfish.

if people have to go out (work etc) then they have to, but could wear a mask even though it's not compulsory.

You're wrong about that. A friend who works in a school tested positive recently and was told by the Head that she can still come to work if feeling up to it! My son works in a bar/restaurant and they're told to come into work if feeling well enough too.

She an idiot. Whilst there are no restrictions advise is to stay at home

woukd she go out if she had flu, which loads of people seem to think covid is

sorry I couldn’t be friends with someone so stupid

COVID is ripping through our school. Mid week this week, we were on the brink of being non quorate. One more staff member off and we'd have had to collapse classes as a minimum. People had been isolating for 5 days as a moral choice but then we were faced with not enough teachers, canteen staff and no supply for love nor money. So positive staff who felt well came back in.

Would people really stand schools having to close a year or collapse classes while positive but "well" staff isolated?

Morally you're right. It's not ethical to go out with covid for anything non essential (and certainly not without a mask.

It's extremely infectious and there's all sorts of reasons why people want to avoid infection, from having an underlying health issue that makes them more vulnerable, to having something important coming up that being ill for would ruin (could be a big event, an operation, a holiday etc), to not getting sick pay (especially applies to supermarket staff, also let's not forget we're also in a cost of living crisis), to the long term health issues covid can create for anyone and the strain covid is still putting on the health services etc etc. There's still hundreds of people dying with it in the UK every month.

Your friend should have either got a home delivery for her shopping or asked someone to drop some shopping off for her. If there was absolutely no alternative she should have worn a mask

People who are forced to work when they are still infectious need to wear a mask and tell people they come in contact with that they're positive so that they can also put a mask on if they choose and monitor themselves for symptoms/avoid vulnerable relatives etc

Ultimately we need better guidelines, better infection controls and proper sick pay available to those who are infectious. Tell your unions and with an election coming up any prospective parliamentary candidates that this is important to you, we need to start pushing for it

In the meantime your friend is the exact reason why I still wear a mask in indoor public spaces and have no intention of stopping anytime soon.

People are well advised to stock up on FFP2 masks and anti-viral nasal spray, and wear the masks in healthcare settings, on public transport and in the supermarket at thd very least.

If more people wore masks and stayed in during the acute phase, there would be a lot less covid around. It isn't a 'minor sniffle' for too many people. It's a virus that can cause serious dmaage to major organs - I have two friends with covid-related heart problems. They were oerfectly healthy before.

If you have a virus and feel lousy, stay at home. Test for cpvid and if you have it, stay at home at least for a couple of days. If you really can't, then wear a mask.

I wouldn't do it. Or if I did, I'd put on a mask and gloves.

No I am not wrong about that. They actually would not let her come in. They asked her to stay home with pay.