To think there shouldn't be measles outbreaks?

[fatandhappy47]

Surely we shouldn't be having an issue with measles?
Had an email from school (secondary) 'reminding' us to keep kids off with measles, which got me thinking

All my kids band my friends kids of the same age had their MMR (however my youngest did get measles before this)

So why is it an issue in secondary schools of all places? Are people just not vaccinating their kids?

In my father's day he was sent to stay with a relative so he didn't catch his sister's measles while she lay in a darkened room and they all prayed she wouldn't go blind. All this goes to show is that there are neglectful parents in every generation.

I would suggest that it is because they have grown up in a community where we generally don't /didn't have any of these nasties because previous mothers vaccinated! Those mothers saw first hand the effects of these diseases. Then a generation appears that think they know better and look around and say - well there's not much of this about/why should I vaccinate my child? 🙄

This

again because Covid is less of an issue now they think they were right not to vaccinate. Not understanding the reason why that is is down in huge part to the vaccines. The cognitive dissonance is ridiculous

DS' class WhatsApp group imploded when we got the reminder about flu vaccine/nasal spray because of a couple of anti vaxxers spouting nonsense and saying that parents vaccinating were harming their children! It was like witnessing flat earthers close up , you can't reason with stupid.

I wonder if women's birth trauma leads to a mistrust in the medical profession as a whole. I am in a few Facebook groups for women who have suffered birth trauma and many women there are also anti vax. If your experience becoming a mother has been traumatic due to medical negligence etc, it makes sense that women can then form a mistrust in anything medical. Those women end up on YouTube and anti vax sites and decide against vaccines. It's mostly women taking thier dcs to get vaccinated, maybe if we fix the appalling maternity system in this country (and improve medical care for women in general) more mothers will trust vaccines.

Something is going wrong, calling anti vaxxers names isn't going to help.

But why would you take that risk for your child? My dad’s brother, an angelic looking toddler, died of polio at the age of three. A cousin caught measles which left him deaf and with brain damage, and resulted in his death as a young adult. Because we were born before a mumps vaccine, a boy I was at senior school with is infertile after getting mumps at university.

What is it about your children that means you know none of this could happen to your family? The arrogance of bringing children into the world but then taking serious risks with their health, when they have no choice, astounds me.

Of course it shouldn't be an issue in the 21st century.
It's shocks me that elements of our society have brought us here. Sheer stupidity selfishness and ignorance.
This will only change back when enough people have had the misfortune to know a family member or close friend die or become seriously unwell from measles. Then they may have the humility to think, oh maybe the antivax mob were wrong after all.

Your brother is most likely to have had the single measles vaccine, so not been vaccinated against mumps.

Yes, that too.

Seems like there's many reasons. I hadn't reealised there were concerns over pork proiducts in some of the vaccines. So that's another reason.

You, and they, got off lightly. In one incident in Germany, two children died after years of debilitating illness - were exposed to an unvaccinated child on rhe same day as infants in their doctor's waiting room and subsequently developed encephalitis. Parents who don't vaccinate for measles are .. let's not get into that.

No they haven’t

Tony Blair was doing an awful lot to try and reassure the public. He should not have been put in the position to answer questions about his baby’s confidential medical information.

It would have been appalling had he used his innocent baby as some sort of vaccination poster child just because of the fraudulent claims of AW and the irresponsibility of the lancet.

This.
He had a financial interest in damning MMR and his research was utterly crooked.

The dumbest anti vaxxer I know had her first baby at home in a meadow with no medical intervention, not even scans. No birth trauma whatsoever. She's just thick.

I watched a 14 year old unvaccinated child die from measles encephalitis. Horrific and completely unnecessary.

I know a lovely elderly man who contracted measles as a child( pre MMR) and was made completely and permanently deaf by the disease. He was sent away from his family to the deaf school in the city 4 hours away. He was so lonely and sad. That one illness changed his life forever. I think if people understood what measles can do they would have their children vaccinated.

My mum had all of us vaccinated as soon as a vaccination became available over the years.

She lost a sister to diphtheria back in the late 1930s. Her sister caught it from sharing an ice cream with a friend who, unknown to everyone, was a carrier. A few days later her sister got a sore throat which got worse. The GP was called, did tests. My mum was playing in the street when he came running down the street (the results were back) shouting 'get the children out of the house, get them out, it's diphtheria!'

My mum went to a neighbours for the next two weeks whilst her sister died. Her throat swelled up so she couldn't swallow, then her neck so she couldn't breathe. Her eyes were also infected so she died partially blind, slowly suffocating. She was 10 years old.

We don't see diphtheria anymore because of vaccinations. So we think of it as 'just a sore throat'. It's not. It can be a killer. Hence the 'get the children out of the house' from the GP. The same as people see measles as 'just a childhood illness'. It's not.

The saddest comment I've ever heard was from the mum of one of DS's school friends. She's the same age as me, 60 years old. She got measles at about 6 years old. She was hallucinating and very ill so went to hospital. Until then she'd hit all her developmental targets, was doing well at school. She recovered, deaf in one ear and, eventually, was diagnosed as what we would term SEN. Her comment? 'x has had all his vaccinations. I don't want him to be like me' - that broke my heart.

Vaccine injuries are incredibly rare. Whereas the benefits of having the vaccines can be life saving and also prevent life changing complications.

Unfortunately anti vaxxers are usually uninformed and refer to unsubstantiated information.

This outbreak is awful news and very worrying for parents of babies too young for the jabs. I’m wondering if I can pay privately for my 5 month old to have a jab before the regular immunisations. Googling seems to say 3 vaccines can be given if necessary (mainly American sites saying this)
Does anyone know/have any experience with this?

In one incident in Germany, two children died after years of debilitating illness - were exposed to an unvaccinated child on rhe same day as infants in their doctor's waiting room and subsequently developed encephalitis.

So what happened to the unvaccinated child? Did that child die also? Or if the child hadn't got measles then they wouldn't have been able to pass it on.

It's statements like yours which will make what you might call doubtful vaccinators think 'Hmm, that's not really evidence'. Truthfully we don't know where we catch diseases from half the time. And nor do we all catch them. Stinking colds can be going round at work but not everyone will catch one.

Exactly. Whether people want to admit it or not, the heavy-handed response to the Covid jab at the time, and the compensation claims since, has resulted in many now not coming forward for routine vaccinations. This was bound to happen.

Yes - they perhaps think everyone else will do the job for them.

I don't understand people who have access to the internet who can't do a simple bit of research, because they avoid the news...

I don't agree.

It's the number of crazy loons that have emerged from the pandemic. They couldn't cope with the quarantines so it had to have been the illuminati 🙄

The Wakefield thing had died down.

I find responses like these odd tbh.
Was was heavy handed about informing people that a vaccine, which dramatically reduces the impact of a potentially life threatening illness, is now available and recommended?