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4 year old sleeping and partner's attitude

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Wahwahwah82 · 18/01/2024 13:36

Hello, looking for some advice please. I have tried not to make this too long but have failed at the first hurdle sorry.
So 4 year old DS started school in September, he's one of the youngest in his year. I'm pregnant with second DS, due in a couple of months.
4 year old has always had 'trouble' with sleep since being in his own room from about 9 months - multiple wake ups, and particularly irritated if DP went to settle him instead of me. Prior to that I co-slept, and he was not a napper either - 30 min naps at the most 😩 Anyway, I have always just taken it as that's how he is and eventually he'll grow out of it. His sleep has gradually improved over time, and since about age 3, he's managed alot of nights without waking, or with maybe 1 wake up. When he was younger would sometimes have night terrors, and he has a very overactive mind, which also seems to play into lots of dreams - good and bad. If he's poorly this can understandably go out of the window and may take a few weeks to reset. Have also used reward charts a couple of times in the last year which have gone down well.

Over the last 4 years, DP has continually insisted that he should be able to sleep through (even as a baby), insisted on trying cry it out to 'teach him' not to keep waking up, and generally (in my view) shows no empathy or understanding of his own child and that he's an individual. We tried CIO when DS was about 1 yr old, and he literally threw himself out of his cot in distress after several nights of no progress whatsoever, so I put my foot down.

DP will constantly compare to other kids but conveniently ignores those whose sleep is similar to our DS'. He has also always been a complete prick to DS about his sleep. He will shout and swear if DS wakes up (even if I am the one who has gone to settle him), which just causes so much tension, and would shout and scream at DS if he was settling him (and then wonder why he wouldn't go back to sleep!) So got to the point where I have done most bed times for the last couple of years as DS doesn't want DP to do it, and I can't take the shouting and upset. If I go out in the eve, DP will do bedtime, and DS has become slightly better about it as he's gotten older, but is vocal about not being happy about it 😄 DP generally also quite regularly speaks to him in an irritated and condescending way, as though he's a constant nuisance. DS picks up on this and asks him to stop. DP will then shout at him, DS shouts back and tells DS to stop shouting (whilst shouting) 🤦🏾‍♀️. I have tried to explain the futility of this approach but he'll try for a few hours and then revert to type. No one else speaks to DS in this way (teachers, grandparents, family friends etc) so DP I think knows it's not ok.

Anyway, so DS2 is on the way, we have moved DS1 into his new bedroom over Christmas to give him time to get used to it. He loves his room and slept fine the first couple of nights. Was poorly over most of Xmas, and in the first 2 weeks of Jan, has just got well again. His sleep has been disturbed since Xmas, with a couple of wake ups each night. Not long ones - he literally resettles within a couple of mins, but wants the comfort of someone lying with him, which we haven't had to do for a long time - would usually just be a cuddle and then he would lie back down by himself, and I'd wait until he dozed back off and then leave. Wake ups have been consistently around 11.30pm and then 2am. He's clearly having a nightmare during the 11pm wake up as you can hear him shouting in his sleep. Then he wakes and either calls for me, or will come into our room. He has no interest in getting in our bed, he just wants one of us to reassure him as he goes back to sleep. DP will lecture him (often in the middle of the night) about how he shouldn't call out, and if he comes into our room in the morning (6am) tells him off for not staying in his room until his alarm has gone off at 6.30. I tend to just get up and take him back to him room and sit and chat until 6.30 or read a book or just have a cuddle.

DP has decided the recent wake ups are all my fault - he thinks the fact that DS likes someone with him as he falls asleep has created this problem (but completely ignores that he's been sleeping through happily in his other room for the last year). I'm open to changing how I do bedtime, but think this is more about change and DS' various anxieties: new school (where he is still learning to navigate new friendships and fallouts etc), long days in a new environment (he is in breakfast club from 8am and afterschool until about 5pm 4 days a week), new bedroom, new baby on the way. He is 4, but his emotional intelligence is quite advanced and he can articulate his feelings quite well for his age. He's told me he is scared in his new room at night e.g. because of different shadows (something he also used to worry about in his old room), he hates school (and will dwell on very small incidents despite clearly having had a good day), and he is worried about me (he can see me struggling physically sometimes as pregnancy progresses), and worried about me and DP arguing (which we have started to do as both tired) and daddy when he shouts. He would share these worries with me but not his dad, who usually just fobs him off or doesn't really listen.

I've explained all this to DP, but everything is very black and white to him, and he only focuses on quick fixes, he cannot see an issue as having multiple parts. Had a humongous row today and I was honest and said I fear when DS2 is born, and DS1's behaviour likely goes down the pan due to the massive change, and DP will not be able to handle it and I will have the stress of trying to keep the peace and deal with newborn. I already feel like a referee, and DS has been increasingly vocal about how he 'doesn't like daddy ,and wants him to live somewhere else' 😬 The saddest thing is DP is actually very caring, but for some reason repeatedly fails to be able to extend that care and compassion to his son. Every once in a while he pulls his head out of his arse and then feels guitly and makes a conscious effort to be better, but it doesn't last.

Sorry, this has gone on a bit, but any advice on the sleep, and whether this is likely just another phase, or something more drastic needed? Like I said, I'm happy to consider how I might change things at bedtime to help, but I won't allow DP to bully DS into submission based on unrealistic expectations, or his own resentment at being woken up etc. But perhaps I'm the one being a prick here?

  • sorry, edited as something wierd happened to the formatting!
OP posts:
Eaglemom · 18/01/2024 13:41

My advice is to not worry about the sleeping, and get rid of your child abusing partner. He sounds absolutely vile. Your poor kid.

Snowydaysfaraway · 18/01/2024 13:47

How exactly is your dp very caring?

SallyWD · 18/01/2024 13:50

I'm sorry but I wouldn't be worrying about the sleep but the fact that your partner is abusive. Your poor child - being shouted and sworn at! My only advice is to leave your partner.

ShoePalaver · 18/01/2024 13:51

My partner is very similar. Fine with me but cannot seem to relate to the children in a normal loving way. I mean wanting them in their own bed is fine but the night time ranting is abusive. I am gearing up to leave.

Be prepared when you have the second one it will get a whole lot worse. I have ended up doing virtually all parenting to shield my children and it's incredibly stressful.

With my partner I am sure it is down to the abusive parenting he received and I do have some sympathy for him but I can't allow this to be perpetuated on the next generation.

MissyB1 · 18/01/2024 13:54

And you chose to conceive another child with him because…..?
Seriously the guy can’t cope with parenting a young child, now another one is coming into the mix. The sleep issues would probably resolve if your 4 year old wasn’t so anxious about his bad tempered dad. If you want to stay with this guy and try to make it work then you both need relationship counselling, he needs to understand that his behaviour is damaging his family. And he needs to learn how to change. Is he capable of long term change though?

Sprinkles211 · 18/01/2024 13:55

I can't believe you let him behave that way and have another child with him, screaming at a child for waking in the night is abuse. For what it's worth I have 3 children all sen and not one has ever slept through the night starting at a very early age and all 3 refused naps from 10 to 12 months old. I've had 16 years of night waking along with my partner and although we've snapped at each other about it not once has either of us berated the child for it.

Cornishclio · 18/01/2024 13:59

Oh dear. I think your bigger problem is your DP. It doesn't sound like he is coping with fatherhood at all. Your poor DS. 4 is very young and he is coping with lots of changes, school, new baby, parents arguing and new room etc etc. Your DP seems to be making it worse and if his own son is saying he doesn't like him and wants him to live somewhere else that is not good. They obviously have a dreadful relationship. How you mediate that I don't know but you need a frank discussion with your DP pointing out he is the adult and he needs to fix the breakdown in relationship with him and his DS. The sleep situation is something different. Lots of kids wake at night.

tennesseewhiskey1 · 18/01/2024 14:02

Your husband sounds awful. I hope to God your next child sleeps through….

Serenity45 · 18/01/2024 14:05

You're DEFINITELY not the one being a prick OP. You are however minimising and excusing a horrible abusive man who is bullying a small child. I'm not blaming you, BTW. The fault lies squarely at his door, especially as you have tried to talk to him about it over the years.

I imagine that you think you are doing a good job of 'refereeing' and shielding your child from this. Spoiler alert - you're really not. I was a 4 year old very much like your DS and my parents sound similar in some ways to you and your partner. We always wanted mum at bedtimes because Dad was impatient with us, even when we behaved well. Mum was fun and nurturing and silly sometimes and we knew even when she shouted the odd time that she loved us so bloody much. Not because she told us all the time, but because she SHOWED us she loved us. On occasion when she was out for the evening I ended up lying in a wet bed overnight because I'd woken up and not wanted to call out to my Dad as I knew he would be annoyed even if I had good reason.

I actually found your post very upsetting to read. I know you're pregnant with a little one but please stop minimising and excusing such awful parenting and behaviour. Even if you don't feel that you want to leave, just think about what it might mean for a few minutes and sit with those feelings / thoughts. It sounds like your DS only has one parent in his corner so it's falling on you to protect your kids from being bullied and squashed down.

Topjoe19 · 18/01/2024 14:07

My 4yo wakes up several times per night. My DH has never once lost his temper or shouted. Honestly the problem isn't your 4yo it's your partner.

Foxblue · 18/01/2024 14:10

He's very caring and compassionate... apart from to his own four year old, the person he should most want to be caring to in the world? He can't bring himself to be caring to an innocent 4 year old child? Do you hear how awful that is??
You are a boiled frog... things are so bad, and you can't even see it... I feel so sorry for you and your little boy. He needs to realise how bad this behaviour is, Jesus.

Doteycat · 18/01/2024 14:10

Mother of actual fuck and all that's holy.
How blinded by this cunt are you?
He's abusing your child. And you are excusing it.
You know the way we see on the the Ness a child has been abused and wonder how it happened? Are you going to wait this this is you? Cos you are on the right path.
I am actually completely dumbfounded that you think excusing a grown man screaming at a child, putting down a child, a child saying he doesn't like daddy, is in any way normal.
He's TELLING you he's being abused and you are ignoring him.
Get that fucker out of his life.
I'm disgusted.
Just disgusted.

Topjoe19 · 18/01/2024 14:10

I've read your op again. Your poor little DS. My heart breaks for him. He's only 4 ffs. Your partner is disgusting.

SgtJuneAckland · 18/01/2024 14:11

If my husband screamed and shouted at my child, he wouldn't be my husband anymore. Your poor little boy.

a222 · 18/01/2024 14:23

what a cruel and horrible man.

Sandtownnel · 18/01/2024 14:26

That poor child. You should be ashamed that you haven't left him, defending him and even worse bringing another child into this abusive environment!

OhGoOnThen0 · 18/01/2024 14:30

Imagine if your child told school he is worried about his Mum, and Mum and Dad's arguing, and Dad when he shouts. Your DH is a horrible prick, and your 4 year old is scared of him. Yeah absolutely fuck that!!

Aguinnessplease · 18/01/2024 14:31

This is a painful read. I really feel for you - your partner sounds an absolute prize pr!ck. I’d be most surprised if his wider attitude to you and family life isn’t equally unkind.

ChangeAgain2 · 18/01/2024 14:35

My youngest now 3 1/2 only recently started sleeping through the night. At worst the wake ups were hourly and at best 3 times a night. Now she sleeps through. She's had a few hiccups but it's much more consistent. It will happen. My eldest slept through at 1 without issue.

I think your partner is a nasty bastard and while I understand he's tired and frustrated, even though your doing all the work, DC isn't waking up on purpose. I'd be very worried about his reaction. I'd also be worried about leaving him with a crying newborn.

Caerulea · 18/01/2024 14:37

OP - your husband is being abusive to your son, there's no other way to say it I'm afraid. Whether you stay or leave (& your repeated uses of emoji make me wonder if you're in denial about what's going on, which I understand) that man will have no relationship with his son whatsoever. Your boy will be entirely reliant on you & at some point will wonder why you aren't defending him.

I'm everso sorry but either H needs help or you need to work out if you can do this to you & your little man indefinitely.

Florida28 · 18/01/2024 14:42

This isn't a sleep issue with your DC or an issue with your parenting, bedtime routines. This is an abusive controlling 'D'P issue you have. I feel heart sorry your DS has to live with this.

No wonder he can't sleep through and suffers nightmares, your DP has probably given him anxiety at the age of 4.

The 1st time DP got into a shouting match with my 4 yo would've been the last time. I can't believe you don't see the abuse here.

Bananaspinkyglitter · 18/01/2024 14:44

He swears at his own little boy ?

’ I already feel like a referee

Between a grown man and a little 4 year old innocent child .

OP- I’m not being unkind but your watching your partner abuse your son and I’m terrified for what stres, turmoil , hurt and anger this will cause .

Those who are bullied bully. What happens when if your son starts shouting and swearing in school ???? But my daddy does it .

TeabySea · 18/01/2024 14:45

SallyWD · 18/01/2024 13:50

I'm sorry but I wouldn't be worrying about the sleep but the fact that your partner is abusive. Your poor child - being shouted and sworn at! My only advice is to leave your partner.

Absolutely. He sounds thoroughly unfit to be parent.

Florida28 · 18/01/2024 14:46

Like I said, I'm happy to consider how I might change things at bedtime to help, but I won't allow DP to bully DS into submission based on unrealistic expectations, or his own resentment at being woken up etc

unfortunately your DS is already being bullied by your DP and you're allowing it, consciously or not.

Gingerkins · 18/01/2024 14:49

OMG, poor little sausage. Just picturing him in his pjs being bullied by his father is really upsetting 😢

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