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4 year old sleeping and partner's attitude

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Wahwahwah82 · 18/01/2024 13:36

Hello, looking for some advice please. I have tried not to make this too long but have failed at the first hurdle sorry.
So 4 year old DS started school in September, he's one of the youngest in his year. I'm pregnant with second DS, due in a couple of months.
4 year old has always had 'trouble' with sleep since being in his own room from about 9 months - multiple wake ups, and particularly irritated if DP went to settle him instead of me. Prior to that I co-slept, and he was not a napper either - 30 min naps at the most 😩 Anyway, I have always just taken it as that's how he is and eventually he'll grow out of it. His sleep has gradually improved over time, and since about age 3, he's managed alot of nights without waking, or with maybe 1 wake up. When he was younger would sometimes have night terrors, and he has a very overactive mind, which also seems to play into lots of dreams - good and bad. If he's poorly this can understandably go out of the window and may take a few weeks to reset. Have also used reward charts a couple of times in the last year which have gone down well.

Over the last 4 years, DP has continually insisted that he should be able to sleep through (even as a baby), insisted on trying cry it out to 'teach him' not to keep waking up, and generally (in my view) shows no empathy or understanding of his own child and that he's an individual. We tried CIO when DS was about 1 yr old, and he literally threw himself out of his cot in distress after several nights of no progress whatsoever, so I put my foot down.

DP will constantly compare to other kids but conveniently ignores those whose sleep is similar to our DS'. He has also always been a complete prick to DS about his sleep. He will shout and swear if DS wakes up (even if I am the one who has gone to settle him), which just causes so much tension, and would shout and scream at DS if he was settling him (and then wonder why he wouldn't go back to sleep!) So got to the point where I have done most bed times for the last couple of years as DS doesn't want DP to do it, and I can't take the shouting and upset. If I go out in the eve, DP will do bedtime, and DS has become slightly better about it as he's gotten older, but is vocal about not being happy about it 😄 DP generally also quite regularly speaks to him in an irritated and condescending way, as though he's a constant nuisance. DS picks up on this and asks him to stop. DP will then shout at him, DS shouts back and tells DS to stop shouting (whilst shouting) 🤦🏾‍♀️. I have tried to explain the futility of this approach but he'll try for a few hours and then revert to type. No one else speaks to DS in this way (teachers, grandparents, family friends etc) so DP I think knows it's not ok.

Anyway, so DS2 is on the way, we have moved DS1 into his new bedroom over Christmas to give him time to get used to it. He loves his room and slept fine the first couple of nights. Was poorly over most of Xmas, and in the first 2 weeks of Jan, has just got well again. His sleep has been disturbed since Xmas, with a couple of wake ups each night. Not long ones - he literally resettles within a couple of mins, but wants the comfort of someone lying with him, which we haven't had to do for a long time - would usually just be a cuddle and then he would lie back down by himself, and I'd wait until he dozed back off and then leave. Wake ups have been consistently around 11.30pm and then 2am. He's clearly having a nightmare during the 11pm wake up as you can hear him shouting in his sleep. Then he wakes and either calls for me, or will come into our room. He has no interest in getting in our bed, he just wants one of us to reassure him as he goes back to sleep. DP will lecture him (often in the middle of the night) about how he shouldn't call out, and if he comes into our room in the morning (6am) tells him off for not staying in his room until his alarm has gone off at 6.30. I tend to just get up and take him back to him room and sit and chat until 6.30 or read a book or just have a cuddle.

DP has decided the recent wake ups are all my fault - he thinks the fact that DS likes someone with him as he falls asleep has created this problem (but completely ignores that he's been sleeping through happily in his other room for the last year). I'm open to changing how I do bedtime, but think this is more about change and DS' various anxieties: new school (where he is still learning to navigate new friendships and fallouts etc), long days in a new environment (he is in breakfast club from 8am and afterschool until about 5pm 4 days a week), new bedroom, new baby on the way. He is 4, but his emotional intelligence is quite advanced and he can articulate his feelings quite well for his age. He's told me he is scared in his new room at night e.g. because of different shadows (something he also used to worry about in his old room), he hates school (and will dwell on very small incidents despite clearly having had a good day), and he is worried about me (he can see me struggling physically sometimes as pregnancy progresses), and worried about me and DP arguing (which we have started to do as both tired) and daddy when he shouts. He would share these worries with me but not his dad, who usually just fobs him off or doesn't really listen.

I've explained all this to DP, but everything is very black and white to him, and he only focuses on quick fixes, he cannot see an issue as having multiple parts. Had a humongous row today and I was honest and said I fear when DS2 is born, and DS1's behaviour likely goes down the pan due to the massive change, and DP will not be able to handle it and I will have the stress of trying to keep the peace and deal with newborn. I already feel like a referee, and DS has been increasingly vocal about how he 'doesn't like daddy ,and wants him to live somewhere else' 😬 The saddest thing is DP is actually very caring, but for some reason repeatedly fails to be able to extend that care and compassion to his son. Every once in a while he pulls his head out of his arse and then feels guitly and makes a conscious effort to be better, but it doesn't last.

Sorry, this has gone on a bit, but any advice on the sleep, and whether this is likely just another phase, or something more drastic needed? Like I said, I'm happy to consider how I might change things at bedtime to help, but I won't allow DP to bully DS into submission based on unrealistic expectations, or his own resentment at being woken up etc. But perhaps I'm the one being a prick here?

  • sorry, edited as something wierd happened to the formatting!
OP posts:
2jacqi · 18/01/2024 14:50

@Wahwahwah82 The saddest thing is DP is actually very caring, but for some reason repeatedly fails to be able to extend that care and compassion to his son. I dont think your husband is very caring at all!!! certainly not to your son! he sounds like a lazy shit who does not like his sleep being disturbed! your son is only 4 for goodness sake. how old is your husband, 5????

Ragwort · 18/01/2024 14:50

Sorry to repeat what others have said but why on earth are you having a second DC with this man?

Riverstep · 18/01/2024 14:53

I suspect your child would sleep better if it was just you, him and the new baby. Your dp is the problem tbh.

ShoePalaver · 18/01/2024 14:55

I don't think attacking the OP is going to help here. These situations are not easy to cope with. You spend a lot of time wondering if it's partly your fault, if it's normal, if they can change, if it's bad enough to justify depriving your child of a father, what will happen custody wise if you split and their dad ends up with unsupervised contact. Probably the OP 's partner is a decent parent some of the time but she's only presenting a particular issue.

Thelaundryfairyhasbeenassassinated · 18/01/2024 14:55

You are completely deluded to think this man has any caring qualities. Your son is being bullied by his father. I dread to think how this man is going behave when the second child arrives.

PinkyFlamingo · 18/01/2024 14:55

You openly say your DP can be a "prick" to your DS and yet you chose to have another with him? Your poor DS.

iamwhatiam23 · 18/01/2024 14:57

Kick your DP out and allow him no unsupervised contact with DS and you will find that DS sleeping issues will resolve pretty quickly!

Kwam31 · 18/01/2024 14:58

Forget the sleep, why on gods green earth are you bringing another child into the world for this cunt to abuse?
I've every sympathy for anyone in a bad relationship but this post highlights yet another woman making incredibly stupid choices at the expense of her child.

anonqrtb · 18/01/2024 14:59

I would say your doing the right thing OP - Your son has a lot going on, changing bedrooms, school, new baby. He is a human, feels every emotions and it effected by change of course. I think these issues will settle themselves over time as all the changes stop and the new normal begins.

Have you heard of worry monsters? They are little teddys that have a zip in the belly where you can write your worries down and put them in its tummy. Your DS will be too young i imagine to write down his worries, but you could get coloured bits of paper that signify his worries. E.G - Yellow for school, blue for daddy, green for mommy, red for night time etc. When he feels worried, he pops one in his belly - then you empty them at night and the worry monster has eaten his worries away. Might be worth a shot!

BurbageBrook · 18/01/2024 15:02

OP you can tell how caring someone is by how they treat the most vulnerable in our society. He's abusive. You allowed him to abuse your baby when he was tiny by pressuring you to leave him to cry alone. Are you going to allow him to continue abusing your 4 year old?

WagWoofWalkMeeoow · 18/01/2024 15:03

@Wahwahwah82

DS2 is on the way

why oh why why why??

your DP is NOT a good Dad or Partner.

for both your kids sake, you need to leave this twat.

BoohooWoohoo · 18/01/2024 15:09

Your 4 year old wishing that daddy lived elsewhere should have been a wake up call for you.

Your problem is your partner. Your son isn’t waking up out of spite, if he had the choice then he’d pick staying asleep and not being shouted at. Have you ever felt scared when another adult shouts at you? Your son is a fraction of your size so his fear will be multiplied. It’s your job as a mum to protect him from his dad’s abuse.

The fact that he comes across as caring to everyone but can’t be understanding towards his son is a major red flag. When my kids woke up I obviously thought ffs but it’s not something that they do on purpose. He should be ashamed of his behaviour.

barkymcbark · 18/01/2024 15:14

Eaglemom · 18/01/2024 13:41

My advice is to not worry about the sleeping, and get rid of your child abusing partner. He sounds absolutely vile. Your poor kid.

This is exactly what I was going to say

BoohooWoohoo · 18/01/2024 15:16

Your son probably wakes up more because he’s afraid of waking up and being shouted at.

Allofaflutter · 18/01/2024 15:18

Tell the health visitor all this as see what they say. Though don’t be surprised when SS come knocking about you not protecting your child from an abuser.

thedementedelf · 18/01/2024 15:21

Your partners a fucking dick.

If ds repeats this at school you'll have a phone call home and a knock at the door.

The last word I would ever use to describe your partner is caring.

AlltheFs · 18/01/2024 15:24

You need reporting to social services- how can you allow this abuse to continue and bring another child in to it?! Absolutely disgraceful.

Your DH is vile and you are enabling it. Shame on you both quite frankly.

ginasevern · 18/01/2024 15:29

You are living with an abusive cunt and you are trying to minimise and normalise it. To say your DP is "actually very caring" makes me doubt your sanity. He is a child abuser, end of.

Why in god's name did you get pregnant again knowing what a complete and utter bullying, lazy, selfish prick your husband is. Your poor little boy, what a fucking horrible life you 2 are subjecting him to. I really despair.

converseandjeans · 18/01/2024 15:30

Why are you having another child with him? He sounds like a bully who can't cope with one child let alone another one.

He needs to leave - you are allowing your young child to be screamed at. It's abuse. I can't see him improving with a newborn in the house.

Pugdays · 18/01/2024 15:47

First post nailed it
Nothing left to add

MorningSunshineSparkles · 18/01/2024 15:50

Your partner is an abusive father and you’re bringing another child into this mess? You need to be protecting your child from his father screaming and swearing at him, not ignoring the abuse going on in front of your eyes.

ElmtreeMama · 18/01/2024 15:54

Your poor baby and soon to be babies.
Here is my first ever LTB.

AnneLovesGilbert · 18/01/2024 15:56

Fucking hell OP.

He’s an abusive bastard and you’re letting him traumatise your very young child. I’ve got a 4 year old and this makes me feel sick.

Not only are you letting this happen you’re saddling another innocent vulnerable baby with a nasty terrifying arsehole dad.

cadburyegg · 18/01/2024 15:59

DS has been increasingly vocal about how he 'doesn't like daddy ,and wants him to live somewhere else'

Your DS actually sounds very sensible

Iheartmysmart · 18/01/2024 16:06

Your partner is a vile man who is abusing your poor child. And you are having another baby with him despite knowing that he is a shit dad and will probably abuse your next child as well. I really can’t understand your thought process here.