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To ask if Donald Trump could actually be president again?

630 replies

tinkertee · 16/01/2024 08:37

I've just seen a headline about him now being the front runner for the Republican nomination. Which I assume means it's entirely a possibility that he could then win.

I'm British (English) so I know our current government is a complete embarrassment. But I will never get my head around DT having been president once never mind possibly twice.

How could this happen??

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cardibach · 16/01/2024 19:06

keylemon · 16/01/2024 14:10

“Oh, and for people saying how much better Sanders would be than Biden because Biden is too old: Biden born 1942, Sanders born 1941, what were we saying about senile old men again? (I have seen nothing to indicate that either of them is senile”

You were doing ok until you very big whopper 🤣🤣🤣

Which whopper?

Blah12345678999 · 16/01/2024 19:19

OhmygodDont · 16/01/2024 13:25

I mean is no different here really. The option are vote for cat shit or dog shit. Both options are shit and nobody else stands a chance.

You just got to pick what’s worse the cat shit or the dog shit but they are both still shit.

Hahaha 🤣 pretty much! This always ends up being the choice really, I can’t help but think society just accepts it all though!

Blah12345678999 · 16/01/2024 19:21

Mirrorinthebathroom123 · 16/01/2024 12:38

Both of whom are better than Trump. He’s sexually assaulted women and then bragged about it, he’s kept classified documents in his toilet at home. I could go on but I don’t need to. We all know my 11 year old could do a better job than that oversized toddler.

Yeah but there’s also loads of dodgy stuff about Bill Clinton and Hilary stays with him, and I don’t think that’s because she’s a woman lacking self esteem…

boobot1 · 16/01/2024 19:28

SanctuaryCity · 16/01/2024 08:58

The whole thing is a mess. Both parties have deeply unsuitable candidates. Biden looks like a pensioner with dementia shuffling round a nursing home and Trump is like that racist, sexist, nasty old uncle at a wedding who everyone tolerates acting like a selfish boorish asshole. Why didn’t the democrats stand up to Biden and chose a different, younger candidate?

Yup politics in America is almost as bad as here!

brentwoods · 16/01/2024 20:07

RattlewhenIwalk · 16/01/2024 09:17

Out of curiosity are you an average Republican and one who sees the US as being weak etc?

You do realise that the world's perception of America was radically changed for the worse when it elected Trump the first time?

Not true. The West's/Developed countries/whatever it's being called right now perception was radically changed, but there are huge swaths of the globe who love Trump (on the African continent, the Middle East, and South America to name a few regions).

FrannieSaid · 16/01/2024 20:09

brentwoods · 16/01/2024 20:07

Not true. The West's/Developed countries/whatever it's being called right now perception was radically changed, but there are huge swaths of the globe who love Trump (on the African continent, the Middle East, and South America to name a few regions).

Yes, dictators love him, because he fawns over them. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

brentwoods · 16/01/2024 20:28

FrannieSaid · 16/01/2024 20:09

Yes, dictators love him, because he fawns over them. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

It wasn't intended to be an endorsement, but a fact-check. There's enough misinformation on this thread without adding to it. Don't say "The world" when what you mean is "the UK and Western Europe"

RattlewhenIwalk · 16/01/2024 20:36

brentwoods · 16/01/2024 20:07

Not true. The West's/Developed countries/whatever it's being called right now perception was radically changed, but there are huge swaths of the globe who love Trump (on the African continent, the Middle East, and South America to name a few regions).

Lie down with dogs and you get up with fleas.

SameOldSong · 16/01/2024 20:38

Bets on for first celebrity to threaten to leave the USA, (only they didn't) again.

Thewateriswide · 16/01/2024 20:51

Brits have an understanding of USA politics as much as Americans understand UK politics - i.e., not much. For a start the USA is vast, while the whole of the UK would fit in California. It's not helpful to compare them as it's not remotely like for like. Comparing the UK to one state would be more realistic, and since the UK left the EU their influence has plummeted.
In fact California has a bigger economy than the UK
https://www.businessinsider.com/california-economy-ranks-5th-in-the-world-beating-the-uk-2018-5?op=1

California's economy is now the 5th-biggest in the world, and has overtaken the United Kingdom

California's economy grew to $2.747 trillion in 2017, eclipsing the United Kingdom's $2.625 trillion figure and leaving it effectively sixth on the world stage, according to data from the US Department of Commerce.

https://www.businessinsider.com/california-economy-ranks-5th-in-the-world-beating-the-uk-2018-5?op=1

SadSack10 · 16/01/2024 20:52

How caan Trump and Biden be the best the USA has to offer? Never understood this.

Doveytail · 16/01/2024 20:53

He is less of a murderer than Genocide Joe so I hope Trumps win.

brentwoods · 16/01/2024 21:07

As the sitting president, he was unchallenged last time -- that's why he got all 107,000 in 2020. It was a landslide this time when you figure he got more votes than all the other challengers combined.

(Yes, I would rather have other options, but if I have to choose between 2 terrible choices, he's the terrible choice I have to go with. As previous poster explained, the economy and border security are important issues this election.)

Clavinova · 16/01/2024 21:11

kikilaw
I don't think Russia would have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been president

Probably not - Trump imposed sanctions on Russia's Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline in December 2019;
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/us-sanctions-block-putins-pipeline/

Biden lifted the sanctions in May 2021 - handing Putin a major geopolitical win;

The Biden administration has decided to waive sanctions against the company overseeing the construction of Russia's Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Germany, despite bipartisan opposition in Congress and appeals from [Ukraine and Poland].

Republican lawmakers immediately accused the administration of handing Russian President Vladimir Putin a major political victory. Democrats urged the White House to reconsider, and the Kremlin called the news a "positive signal."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-comes-under-fire-congress-after-waiving-sanctions-russian-gas-n1267975

Thewateriswide · 16/01/2024 21:11

It was Trump that changed Defense Policy and the Pentagon focus away from the Middle East and toward China and Russia.
Again, I am no Trump supprter but that's a fact.
There was a corresponding push to bring microchip manufacturering back to the USA, which the Biden administration has continued. COVID only revealed how dangerous it was to be too dependent on China for microchip manufacturing and other essential products.

https://www.themanufacturer.com/articles/trump-administration-intel-tsmc-talks-reshore-chip-making-us/

DarkRipePlum · 16/01/2024 21:12

I think it was okay under Trump. There was no war, for a start. He went out of his way to liaise with people in charge in countries where tension was high. I don’t particularly like the man, but I think he is a vast improvement over Biden. Plus I’m sick of the gender woo-woo. Let’s get back to the real world.

ELCismyspiritnana · 16/01/2024 21:14

I feel like Donald Trump is the American Boris Jhonson. I can't believe either of them got in to power. The world is a terrifying place!

Thewateriswide · 16/01/2024 21:25

Americans are tired of paying for the defence of Europe when most European countries point fingers at the USA as warmongers while expecting Americans to come in with huge resources and manpower when needed.
Many Americans agreed with Trump that it's time Europe paid for its own defense (the UK is one nation that has always been proactive). The US is worried about China as well as Russia.
It's of course mostly working class families and lower middle class families whose sons and daughters have been on the front lines in the past decades of war. While at home their families and communities sink into poverty.
They are becoming non-interventionist and Trump recognized that.

PopNotPolitics · 16/01/2024 21:27

When will the next election be?

EasternStandard · 16/01/2024 21:31

Thewateriswide · 16/01/2024 21:25

Americans are tired of paying for the defence of Europe when most European countries point fingers at the USA as warmongers while expecting Americans to come in with huge resources and manpower when needed.
Many Americans agreed with Trump that it's time Europe paid for its own defense (the UK is one nation that has always been proactive). The US is worried about China as well as Russia.
It's of course mostly working class families and lower middle class families whose sons and daughters have been on the front lines in the past decades of war. While at home their families and communities sink into poverty.
They are becoming non-interventionist and Trump recognized that.

I think you’re right. I also agree there’s a lot of criticism around the US intervening but the reality is it will feel a lot harder without that support. I don’t think people get that yet.

I mean some do but you see it on here, trying to mean well I assume but underestimating the extra vulnerability due to US leaving a big gap

AlLumi · 16/01/2024 21:31

Bots are back in force.

Thewateriswide · 16/01/2024 21:33

The irony is Trump has changed the Republican party by speaking to the concerns of working-class people in depressed areas, while many see the Democrats as the elites who are snobby and ignorant toward traditional values such as faith, family and patriotism (yet of course expecting someone else's children to be fighting wars).

The Gender Ideology pushed by Democrats is extremely unpopular in the USA - despite the fact that, just like in the UK, those that have different opinions to the Democratic Orthodoxy on this issue are silenced.
It's Republican led states that have been passing laws to protect children from having any medical intervention and that parents should always be informed if a child declares a different identity at school.

On these kind of issues it's Democrats who have looked crazy and out of touch with ordinary people.

Thewateriswide · 16/01/2024 21:36

PopNotPolitics · 16/01/2024 21:27

When will the next election be?

Tuesday November 5th 2024 (for the Federal Elections, including the Presidency).

Zanatdy · 16/01/2024 21:36

I agree both parties have unsuitable candidates. Is this really the best they can come up with in a country the size of theirs? It’s an absolute joke. Bring in some fresh candidates, should be a one shot and done. DT thinks he unfairly lost the election when he absolutely did not and it’s so worrying just how deluded he is, but sadly it seems are the people who vote for him

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