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To ask if Donald Trump could actually be president again?

630 replies

tinkertee · 16/01/2024 08:37

I've just seen a headline about him now being the front runner for the Republican nomination. Which I assume means it's entirely a possibility that he could then win.

I'm British (English) so I know our current government is a complete embarrassment. But I will never get my head around DT having been president once never mind possibly twice.

How could this happen??

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Thewateriswide · 16/01/2024 21:38

The ability to run for President is extremely difficult and manipulated.
Trump broke through because of his name recognition in a country of 300 million and that the Democrats treated him like a joke for the whole campaign.

PopNotPolitics · 16/01/2024 21:41

When will they republicans announce their candidate? It is it already Trump?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 16/01/2024 21:42

PopNotPolitics · 16/01/2024 21:41

When will they republicans announce their candidate? It is it already Trump?

That's what they are voting in the primaries to decide.

windysocks · 16/01/2024 21:42

Trump is the only US president never to take America into a conflict/war.
He taps into common sense working class America. His family and education policy's are popular.
I used to hate him, now I have broadened where I get my news I can see why he is very popular.

paintitblue · 16/01/2024 21:45

He probably will be. People really are that dumb.

fuckityfuckityfuckfuck · 16/01/2024 21:47

windysocks · 16/01/2024 21:42

Trump is the only US president never to take America into a conflict/war.
He taps into common sense working class America. His family and education policy's are popular.
I used to hate him, now I have broadened where I get my news I can see why he is very popular.

The only president? So in the 300ish years of American history, they have started a war at least every 4 years?

Says it all really! 🤣🤣🤣

fuckityfuckityfuckfuck · 16/01/2024 21:48

Sorry, 8 years allowing for 2 terms. Point still stands.

CreateHope · 16/01/2024 21:53

windysocks · 16/01/2024 21:42

Trump is the only US president never to take America into a conflict/war.
He taps into common sense working class America. His family and education policy's are popular.
I used to hate him, now I have broadened where I get my news I can see why he is very popular.

He taps into prejudice not common sense. He’s a deeply cruel bully and some seem fo enjoy that cruelty. It’s so sad.

Morrowwind · 16/01/2024 21:54

If the powers that be, want trump in power then it depends on who and what strategy

Thewateriswide · 16/01/2024 21:54

It's similar with immigration, while border states have been absolutely swamped by enormous numbers of illegal immigrants, Democrats in cities such as NYC and Chicago righteously declared themselves Sanctuary Cities. As the Federal Government (Biden) refuses to help, the Texan Governor Greg Abbott called their bluff and started busing any illegals at the Border that wanted to go North. Now they are drowning in people just like the towns and cities at the border.
Democrats (and some people on this thread) don't understand the effect of some of their policies on millions of ordinary Americans, such as unrestricted illegal immigration, which is a Federal responsibility.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-york-city-sues-bus-companies-transporting-migrants-texas-2024-01-04/

Sceptical123 · 16/01/2024 22:02

@Walkingwithdinosaurs your username is so apt for this thread 😂 I can’t imagine any uk leader being close to their 80’s when they took office, there probably have been a few, but wow. You have to be deemed fit to drive asa you get older to make sure you have all your faculties and don’t pose a danger to ppl, haven't both of them proved in different ways they shouldn’t be wielding the level power that comes with presidency, especially approaching octogenarian status?!

Thewateriswide · 16/01/2024 22:02

fuckityfuckityfuckfuck · 16/01/2024 21:47

The only president? So in the 300ish years of American history, they have started a war at least every 4 years?

Says it all really! 🤣🤣🤣

Do we need to be reminded that both World Wars began in Europe?
The USA is a super power, when the UK was a super power with colonies world wide, they also were involved in frequent war to maintain that power.
As we know the USA itself is a country that grew out of British French and Spanish colonization.
The UK has frequently been an ally of the USA in many of the wars of the 20th & 21st centuries.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 16/01/2024 22:02

Who is America at war with at the moment? Or does giving an invaded country arms with which to defend itself count as "taking America into a conflict"?

paintitblue · 16/01/2024 22:08

windysocks · 16/01/2024 21:42

Trump is the only US president never to take America into a conflict/war.
He taps into common sense working class America. His family and education policy's are popular.
I used to hate him, now I have broadened where I get my news I can see why he is very popular.

You would think his role in the unnecessary and hideous deaths of over a million people due to Covid would put people off him, apart from anything else.

Thewateriswide · 16/01/2024 22:10

Well yes, the USA is the biggest funder of the Ukrainian defense and Israel. They are also plenty of covert US marines and others helping the Ukrainians.

The USA & UK just bombed Yemen.
Taiwan also has elections this year and China is becoming very threatening.

List of current Conflicts to Watch for in 2024 from the perspective of the USA.

www.cfr.org/report/conflicts-watch-2024

Thewateriswide · 16/01/2024 22:19

55% of Americans say they are worse off economically under Biden according to a Poll in December 2023.

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4366706-more-than-half-of-voters-say-they-are-worse-off-under-biden-poll/

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/01/2024 22:20

Americans are tired of paying for the defence of Europe when most European countries point fingers at the USA as warmongers while expecting Americans to come in with huge resources and manpower when needed

IME this is true, and I don't blame them at all for getting fed up of those who effectively flick the Vs with one hand while holding out the other for cash

All politicians tell people what they want to hear, but Trump's handle on this particular issue will probably serve him well

BuffaloDance2000 · 16/01/2024 22:31

GenXisthebest · 16/01/2024 08:58

The thing I don't understand is why the Democrats can't find a better candidate than Biden?

Or either party from approx 330 million people?

Thewateriswide · 16/01/2024 22:40

Neither candidates are popular, just as neither Hillary or Trump were popular (50% of the eligible population don't vote) Most people are very unhappy with the options.
Leadership in the West generally is pretty low quality at the moment it seems.

Stringagal · 16/01/2024 23:15

Was it Macron who formed a shiny new party and swept in and won the election out of the blue? I’m not a fan of his but it’s going to take a similar sort of political revolution to sort things out, on both sides of the pond.

brentwoods · 17/01/2024 00:19

And what metrics would those be? Do you have a source for that?
Housing costs, inflation, quality of life? That's not the feeling of the general public.

DrBalenciaga · 17/01/2024 00:52

windysocks · 16/01/2024 21:42

Trump is the only US president never to take America into a conflict/war.
He taps into common sense working class America. His family and education policy's are popular.
I used to hate him, now I have broadened where I get my news I can see why he is very popular.

He tells the working-class what they want to hear. He is very far from 'working-class' himself, so apart from not being a usual political being, I can't see his appeal. As for your first claim, that is because he attempted to isolate US foreign policy by withdrawing from various treaties. This only emboldened other countries. Whether he was doing certain things at the behest of others, we may find out in years to come.

TempestTost · 17/01/2024 02:18

Thewateriswide · 16/01/2024 21:11

It was Trump that changed Defense Policy and the Pentagon focus away from the Middle East and toward China and Russia.
Again, I am no Trump supprter but that's a fact.
There was a corresponding push to bring microchip manufacturering back to the USA, which the Biden administration has continued. COVID only revealed how dangerous it was to be too dependent on China for microchip manufacturing and other essential products.

https://www.themanufacturer.com/articles/trump-administration-intel-tsmc-talks-reshore-chip-making-us/

He also pointed out that countries like Germany which were dependent on Russian oil were being really stupid. Which has proved to be the case.

I've very much come to the conclusion that if you stick to mainstream media, you are just missing a lot of the news about politics. Like the wall thing - how many people are aware about Biden's wall. Or the towns in the US being completely overrun - every day - by people who have illegally crossed the border? Or that Trump is pretty popular with Hispanics in the US, and even pretty popular in Mexico?

I just find it odd that people have such strong opinions but very little knowledge.

jasflowers · 17/01/2024 07:12

He also pointed out that countries like Germany which were dependent on Russian oil were being really stupid. Which has proved to be the case

Well Trump is an idiot then & easy to say when the US has enough oil/gas of its own.

Even during the cold war and days of the USSR, the west traded extensively with the Soviets, they have massive raw materials, which we need.
Germany etc buy Russian Gas meant the UK could buy Norwegian gas,, what do you think would have happened if Germany didn't buy Russian gas? they'd have bought Norwegian gas.... so where would we have got ours?

All the mainstream media report Trump's polling, surprisingly popular with women! i don't belong to any dark web outlets and have heard ITV, Ch4 and BBC report on all of this.

Switchandflake · 17/01/2024 07:18

Could be and probably will be. Even if he doesn’t win, his supporters will not accept the results and there will be unrest.

I don’t know what the democrats are thinking putting up an 82 year old for a second term. They need new energy in office.