Nephew vs Andrew Tate

[Spencer0220]

I visited my mum's yesterday. We had a lovely afternoon with my sister and her kids. Apart from DNephew who is 13 at the end of the month.

DN has started absolutely idolising Andrew Tate and the Illuminati.

A lot of his views made me as a woman extremely uncomfortable. DSis has tried to reeducate and told him why these views are wrong. She pulled him up repeatedly during the visit because he was sitting with the forefinger/thumb hand signal popularised by Tate. He refused to stop, saying he was comfortable and sitting naturally.

DSis explained about his reeducation, and he kept parroting that he had been reeducated and smirking.

He demanded his birthday present early and told his grandmother how disgusted he was because she hadn't brought presents because she had cooked the same dinner as Christmas Day, so she was expected to give another set of gifts!! Mad!! He got mad at me for refusing to give him his birthday present. I had taken it with me because I don't think I'll see his mum again beforehand.

My mother and sister are clearly at the end of their rope with him.

DN has autism and ADHD.

The part where I think I might be unreasonable. I don't know how to tell DSis, or even if I should, that unless her son stops talking like Tate around me, I'm not prepared to see him, or have him in my house. My skin was crawling by the end of the visit. His views on women are just awful.

The part where I think I might be unreasonable. I don't know how to tell DSis, or even if I should, that unless her son stops talking like Tate around me, I'm not prepared to see him, or have him in my house. My skin was crawling by the end of the visit. His views on women are just awful

Just tell her. They can pander to him if they want. You don't have to. My cousin is 27 and not allowed in my home because he's an Andrew Tate disciple. I have daughters. Im uninterested in putting up with him and wont do the 'be kind'🙄 thing too often expected of women - listening to the poison of a wet behind the ears sexist little fool, and then women of course must run around looking for a man who can help the poor little dear. All whilst he talks to the women in his family as if they're a piece of shit.

You can tell your sister to access help and info but shouldnt take anything else upon yourself. Personally I'd not set foot in her home again either.

Thank you.

Meeting up is awkward because her home isn't wheelchair accessible, so we tend to meet at our mum's.

Who DN has started treating like a slave.

I'll never understand the influence Tate has, he sounds like a demented Kermit!

If anyone worshipped him around me I'd take the piss out of him - they soak up all this 'Top G' bullshit online, openly mock him (Tate, not your DN) - make him sound ridiculous.

I wouldn't go on about the charges surrounding him because he has his supporters parroting how he's been set up, it's all the Matrix's doing 🙄 instead id just mock him, practise your best Kermit voice and rehearse some of his Matrix lines. He won't think Tate's so 'G' if his aunty takes the piss and isn't shocked at all by him.

A 27yo man is very different to a 12yo child.

Does he not have a father to smack him upside the head for talking to women that way? Or is dad a woman hater too? Kid needs proper old school discipline. He's got too big for his breaches.

If I was his mum I'd ban all Internet and stop doing any housework for him. If he wants cooking or cleaning done, he can ask for her help and do it with her nicely. And he needs to be in therapy ASAP. Serious therapy.

What's a top G?

Dad not in picture enough to do anything, or wouldn't want to even if he was

My son was like this ( but a bit older). My advice - listen to the more recent AT and Tristan Tate interviews with Piers Morgan , and speak to the lad about it. There are some aspects of ATs message that are very worthy and you could talk about that before picking up on the mysogeny.

Given that teachers have been attending training courses on how to deal with the AT cult in the classroom, it's no wonder you and your sister are at a loss.

I don't believe having a male figure smack him with 'old school discipline' is the answer either, especially if he has ASD.

However if you RTFT you'd see Dad isn't around.

I think all the adults need to chat and agree on a strategy, and perhaps ask for advice from school as well.

If you've seen my other AIBU posts you'll know we don't always have a good relationship.

Following this post I looked at your other AIBU posts. You have a problem with your niece. You have a problem with the toddler twins. And now you have a problem with her 12yo son.

Whatever the problem you have, it is not these children's fault.

Worthy?
Have you seen the recent Channel 4 documentary?

Top Gangster (or gangsta as the kids like to say )

Familiarise yourself with Tate, you can't mock what you don't know. You'd only have to watch a couple of videos to get enough material to take the piss, the man's a muppet - there's a reason his fans are 13 year old or incels.

I really don't think I'm the problem @TooBigForMyBoots Not with the Andrew Tate thing anyway.

I'm asking for help to help my sister.

@WrenNatsworthy I saw that documentary and I felt sick. Imagine my horror when I went to DM's and found my nephew saying all that garbage

Yes. I’ve seen it. The man is a criminal arsehole, but since he started to follow Islam his message has changed a little and some of it is worthy. Also the op and her sister are not going to put the lad off Tate if they don’t understand Tates message.

His 'message' is that women are chattel. There isn't much to understand there. He hates women, he wants them to suffer, and for whatever reason he has a chronic lack of self esteem, and abuses women to make himself feel better. There is no 'message', it's just another sad little man with a dented ego. But with some social media savvy.

The guy doesn't have a 'message'. He converted to Islam because he wants his 'followers' to think he's changed.

Not the Kool Aid for me I'm afraid.

I've looked at your other threads and, unlike the other poster who thinks the problem is you, I can see that you find your sister difficult to understand, that she expects you to spend money you don't have on her children, that she said something cruel to you about a dress you bought her daughter, and that she expects a lot from your Mum, whilst being quite mean to her.

I'd be concentrating on making friends and expanding your social circle. Your sister sounds like a difficult character.

I'd concentrate on supporting your Mum with ways to cope with DN. Take care OP.

And a penchant for strangling, trafficking and raping women.

Great message.

It sounds like he is being radicalised. His mum needs to check what forums he is using as he might be using incel groups. Often the people in these groups are ND.

His mum should look into some of the incels who have carried out mass killings and debate if she wants her son to end up like that or if she’s willing to get him off the internet full stop.

Personally I wouldn’t put the blame on the child. I’d say to his parents that I’m not comfortable with him coming over until they deal with his behaviour as it’s concerning.

No, don't entertain any of his faux positives in interviews those have only been his views since he got charged. These are his real views.

Go for the mocking technique as described above

I’d ask him what he thinks of Andrew and Tristan’s Tates views on bringing up daughters (whom they say they will cherish and spoil financially and get to sit in businesss/first class) and sons (who they expect to get ready for a man’s tough life so will have to work in their businesses, fly economy class, get physical punishment etc)
or Andrew Tates view that if his sons are doing well at school he won’t congratulate them he expects them to be top 1% in the world, or he will beat them.

is DN working hard at school, working hard physically with training or martial arts? Or is he gaming or vaping (or weed, assume not at that age!). If not the former and doing any of latter, his hero thinks he’s a loser. And would beat him if he were his own son.

How can anyone see these things that he has literally written and defend anything about him.

The PP who thinks some of the things he says are "worthy" needs help.

THIS is the terrifying shit that young men are absorbing and this is why the incel movement is spreading.

They don't like women, they don't respect women.
Our only worth is a womb or a hole.

13 is old enough to have a conscience and so if he agrees with those statements above ^ in the screenshots then I wouldn't go anywhere near him.

Thank you for adding those as I don't think some PP must not realise the actual hateful garbage he spews.

Yes you absolutely can, and being ND has nothing to do with it.

He's not being banned 'for being a 13-year-old'. He's being banned for being a complete arsehole. I don't care someone is 13 or 93; if they behave in a way I find abhorrent, I'm not having them in my house. I wouldn't let an Andrew Tate worshipping teenager in my house any more than I'd let a white supremacist teenager in my house.

I totally appreciate that some ND people can get very obsessed with certain interests or things, but the particular thing they latch on to is very telling. Being obsessively misogynistic is a very different thing from being obsessively into trains.

Hmm, I guess I'm just not used to the idea of banning young people when you disagree with them. If I did that at work I'd have a half empty classroom! Better to engage him and help change his mind.

Saying that most incels have ASD without providing any evidence is absolutely outrageous and discriminatory towards people with ASD.

Pieces of shit like Tate are still pieces of shit, with or without religion.

Tate is just a religious piece of shit now.